On 2019-04-30 17:03, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
David Chisnall wrote on 2019/04/30 10:22:
On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual
components such as sendmail with a port option. That does entirely
solve the problem of being able to rein
The current state of this looks logical: its the bare minimum to
represent the .tgz which we recognized from install menu choices,
which minimises any real SAT solver dependency load, because these are
not cross-dependant in any strong sense.
The goal surely would be to prove this works and test.
t; > Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
> >
> > > Which begs the question, if we're simply replacing freebsd-update and
> > > it does most of what we want why the extra effort?
> >
> > Anyone who isn't
On 01/05/2019 09:31, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
They are experts and they are paid for their work. I am not. I am
maintaining a few packages and the reality is I don't know what they
need in base. Till these days I don't care about this kind of
dependency. I am not system developer or programmer a
Cy Schubert wrote on 2019/05/01 05:56:
In message <292eadc6-3662-ec43-1175-53fc25248...@quip.cz>, Miroslav
Lachman wri
tes:
David Chisnall wrote on 2019/04/30 10:22:
On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components
such as sendmail
In message <292eadc6-3662-ec43-1175-53fc25248...@quip.cz>, Miroslav
Lachman wri
tes:
> David Chisnall wrote on 2019/04/30 10:22:
> > On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
> >> With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components
> >> such as sendmail with a port option. That
David Chisnall wrote on 2019/04/30 10:22:
On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components
such as sendmail with a port option. That does entirely solve the
problem of being able to reinstall sendmail after the fact without a
rebui
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-pkgb...@freebsd.org pkgb...@freebsd.org> On Behalf Of Garrett Wollman
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:29 PM
> To: Cy Schubert
> Cc: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>
> > Whi
<
said:
> An anaconda-like installer for freebsd could do that. Also a perfect job for
> cfengine or ansible. Deploy and use a playbook to enforce policy.
"make delete-old" is inherently interactive. ("yes | make delete-old"
will delete configuration files that shouldn't be deleted.) Likewise
Current ;
> freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-...@freebsd.org; Emmanuel Vadot
>
> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>
> On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
> > With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components
> such as sendmail with a po
> -Original Message-
> What seems to be confusing here is that TrueOS/FreeNAS's "package base"
> and the work that has been on going IN the FreeBSD base system for 2+ (3?)
> years are 2 different things with different goal sets and this CFT has
very
> much muddied that water as to what i
In message <7b9f9f37-9dcb-4b9d-bef1-8c3092331...@opnsense.org>, Franco
Fichtner
writes:
>
>
> > On 30. Apr 2019, at 2:25 AM, Cy Schubert wrote:
> >
> > As for updating, freebsd-update is mostly there to accomplish your requirem
> ent without pkgbase. Which begs the question, if we're simply r
On 29/04/2019 21:12, Joe Maloney wrote:
With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components such as
sendmail with a port option. That does entirely solve the problem of being
able to reinstall sendmail after the fact without a rebuild of the userland
(base) port but perhaps
> On 30. Apr 2019, at 2:25 AM, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> As for updating, freebsd-update is mostly there to accomplish your
> requirement without pkgbase. Which begs the question, if we're simply
> replacing freebsd-update and it does most of what we want why the extra
> effort? Unless we want
What you describe is the sysup tool for managing updates with boot environments
which is not part of the CFT ISO. The pkg upgrade command is used to update
the base packages. Sysup is not necessary unless you want a wrapper to create
boot environments.
Having said that I cannot describe the
> On April 29, 2019 1:50:00 PM PDT, Garrett Wollman
> wrote:
> >< > said:
> >
> >> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in
> >the
> >> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
> >
> >> components they wanted to either create a lean installa
On April 29, 2019 1:50:00 PM PDT, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>< said:
>
>> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in
>the
>> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
>
>> components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix
>and
>>
freebsd.org; Goran Mekić
>> ; freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; FreeBSD Current
>> ; freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-
>> p...@freebsd.org; Emmanuel Vadot
>> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>>
>> In message <201904291441.x3tefmid072...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.
<
said:
> The discussion about granularity begs the question, why pkgbase in the
> first place? My impression was that it allowed people to select which
> components they wanted to either create a lean installation or mix and
> match base packages and ports (possibly with flavours to install i
With CFT version you chose to build, and package individual components such as
sendmail with a port option. That does entirely solve the problem of being
able to reinstall sendmail after the fact without a rebuild of the userland
(base) port but perhaps base flavors could solve that problem ass
ebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-
> p...@freebsd.org; Emmanuel Vadot
> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>
> In message <201904291441.x3tefmid072...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney
> W.
> Grimes"
> writes:
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at
In message <201904291441.x3tefmid072...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, "Rodney W.
Grimes"
writes:
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Correct, this is ZFS only. And it's something we're using specific to
> > > FreeNAS / TrueOS
Driven By Open Source
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Goran Meki?
> > > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:43 AM
> > > To: Kris Moore
> > > Cc: Emmanuel Vadot ; FreeBSD Stable <
> > freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org>; FreeBS
; p...@freebsd.org; freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:09 AM Rodney W. Grimes <
> > freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Correct, t
@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
>
>
> Why this thread has to go to all these lists? I receive any mail 5 times!
>
> Matthias
Fair point. I'll restrict my replies to the -pkgbase list from here on out,
suggest others do the
Why this thread has to go to all these lists? I receive any mail 5
times!
matthias
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On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:05:59 -0400
Kris Moore wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:55 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
> > Kris Moore wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kris,
> > > >
> > > > O
> > >
> > Incorrect, os/kernel-debug installs /boot/kernel-debug which is (on
> > 13-CURRENT) the Witness enabled kernel. os/kernel-debug-symbols are
> > the /usr/lib/debug bits.
>
> I only see kernel-20190420203550_1.txz and kernel-debug-
> 20190420203550.txz in https://pkg.trueos.org/pkg/free
On 29/04/2019 14:19, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
I'm not very interested in packetized base for "big servers" which
contains full FreeBSd installation
'Big servers' may have a full FreeBSD installation in the base system,
but they may also have hundreds of jails that want the absolute minimum
re
nterprise Storage & Servers Driven By Open Source
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Goran Meki?
> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:43 AM
> > To: Kris Moore
> > Cc: Emmanuel Vadot ; FreeBSD Stable <
> freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org>; FreeB
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:55 AM Emmanuel Vadot
wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
> Kris Moore wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Kris,
> > >
> > > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > FreeBSD Community,
prise Storage & Servers Driven By Open Source
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Goran Meki?
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:43 AM
> To: Kris Moore
> Cc: Emmanuel Vadot ; FreeBSD Stable
> ; FreeBSD Current ;
> freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-...@freebs
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:25:05 -0400
Kris Moore wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Kris,
> >
> > On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FreeBSD Community,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-s
;
freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-...@freebsd.org;
freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org; freebsd-po...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Kris Moore wrote:
> We've written our own tool "sysutils/sysup" in GO which handles th
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:53 AM Warner Losh wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:50 AM Lev Serebryakov wrote:
>
>> On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for
>> FreeNAS in a similar manner, where we disable a cou
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 7:50 AM Lev Serebryakov wrote:
> On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>
> >
> > This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for FreeNAS
> in a similar manner, where we disable a couple dozen things from base,
> resulting in a much more stripped d
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Kris Moore wrote:
> We've written our own tool "sysutils/sysup" in GO which handles this. It
> performs updates using Boot-Environments to ensure that kernel/world are
> updated at same time.
If I'm right, UFS doesn't support boot environments, so how woul
On 29.04.2019 16:39, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
>
> This should be very doable with this package base. We use it for FreeNAS in a
> similar manner, where we disable a couple dozen things from base, resulting
> in a much more stripped down userland-base package. By default we also break
> out th
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:20 AM
To: k...@ixsystems.com; freebsd-curr...@freebsd.org;
freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org; freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
On 28.04.2019 22:52, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 1
By Open Source
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-pkgb...@freebsd.org
On Behalf Of Ken Moore
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 8:55 AM
To: freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: CFT: FreeBSD Package Base
On Monday, April 29, 2019 8:08:08 AM EDT, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> Cc: list
On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:12 AM Emmanuel Vadot
wrote:
>
> Hi Kris,
>
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
> wrote:
>
> > FreeBSD Community,
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and
> 13-current
> > using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock F
On 28.04.2019 22:52, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock FreeBSD images which
> will allow users to perform all updating via the 'pkg' command directly.
> Rather than tryin
On Monday, April 29, 2019 8:08:08 AM EDT, Konstantin Belousov wrote:
Cc: list trimmed to relevant. Very long essey below, be warned.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 03:52:21PM -0400, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
FreeBSD Community,
I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable
and 13-
Cc: list trimmed to relevant. Very long essey below, be warned.
On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 03:52:21PM -0400, k...@ixsystems.com wrote:
> FreeBSD Community,
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stoc
Hi Kris,
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:52:21 -0400
wrote:
> FreeBSD Community,
>
>
>
> I'm pleased to announce a CFT for builds of FreeBSD 12-stable and 13-current
> using "TrueOS-inspired" packaged base. These are stock FreeBSD images which
> will allow users to perform all updating via the 'pk
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