Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
One of my 9.1-BETA1 systems periodically freezes. If sound was playing, it would usually cycle with a very short period. so interrupts are off. And system stops being sensitive to keyboard/mouse. Also ping of this system doesn't get a response. I would normally think that this is the faulty me

On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: > > You don't want to work cooperatively. > Why is it that mbuf's refactoring consultation is being held in internal, private, committers-and-invite-only-restricted meeting at BSDCan ? Why is it that so much review and discussion on changes

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Attilio Rao
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> >> You don't want to work cooperatively. >> > Why is it that mbuf's refactoring consultation is being held in > internal, private, committers-and-invite-only-restricted meeting a

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: >>> >>> You don't want to work cooperatively. >>> >> Why is it that mbuf's refactoring consultation is being held in >

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Attilio Rao
On 8/1/12, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao >>> wrote: You don't want to work cooperatively. >>> Why is it t

Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-01 Thread Mark Saad
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Yuri wrote: > On 07/31/2012 17:50, Mark Saad wrote: >> >> Yuri >>Install sysutils/mcelog and try running the example included . While >> not a complete definitative hardware test it can report other hardware >> issues that memtest86+ misses and it can be run o

Re: How to diagnose system freezes?

2012-08-01 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Yuri wrote: > One of my 9.1-BETA1 systems periodically freezes. If sound was playing, it > would usually cycle with a very short period. And system stops being > sensitive to keyboard/mouse. Also ping of this system doesn't get a > response. > I would normally thin

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: > On 8/1/12, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe >>> wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao wrote:

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 15:45:35 -0400 From: Arnaud Lacombe One obvious problem in FreeBSD is that committers are prosecutor, judge and jury altogether. As a user, I accept this. I think if you can make a meaningful contribution to FreeBSD developments in the desig

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Adrian Chadd
Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. If you want to participate, just ask a frien

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Attilio Rao
On 8/1/12, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: [ trimm ] >> You are forgetting one specific detail: you can always review a work >> *after* it entered the tree. This is something you would never do, but >> sometimes, when poor quality code is commi

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Matthew Story
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Arnaud Lacombe > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Attilio Rao > wrote: > >>> > >>> You don't want to work cooperativ

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get > added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most > recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had > plenty of representation from comp

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Julian Elischer
On 8/1/12 12:45 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote: As for the mbuf meeting, all I can find from it online is: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-June/012629.html actually nothing has happenned on this yet that I know of, which i

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get >> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most >> recent developer summit weren't @freebsd

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get >> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most >> recent developer summit weren't @freeb

Enumerating sleeping threads

2012-08-01 Thread Daniel Rudy
Hello, What is the best way to enumerate the sleeping threads via sleepqueue(9)? Furthermore, when enumerating the threads that are on the run queue, what locks are needed, if any? Thank you. -- Daniel Rudy ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing lis

Re: Enumerating sleeping threads

2012-08-01 Thread David Xu
On 2012/8/2 10:12, Daniel Rudy wrote: Hello, What is the best way to enumerate the sleeping threads via sleepqueue(9)? Furthermore, when enumerating the threads that are on the run queue, what locks are needed, if any? sleepqueue hash bucket is private data structure in subr_sleepqueue.c, I th

Re: Enumerating sleeping threads

2012-08-01 Thread Daniel Rudy
--- On Wed, 8/1/12, David Xu wrote: From: David Xu Subject: Re: Enumerating sleeping threads To: "Daniel Rudy" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2012, 7:25 PM On 2012/8/2 10:12, Daniel Rudy wrote: > Hello, > > What is the best way to enumerate the sleeping threads via

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Arnaud Lacombe
Hi, On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get >>> added to the developer summits. Plenty of t

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Warner Losh
On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Warner Losh wrote: >> >> On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: Any interested party is very welcome to approach

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Steve Kargl
On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 09:36:26PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you > are being needlessly contrary and confrontational. > Yep. In 18+ years of being subscribed to various freebsd lists, Arnaud has the honor of being only the 2nd person

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being > needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying objectively, he's right. If anyone can attend the meeting by simply gettin

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Yep. In 18+ years of being subscribed to various freebsd lists, Arnaud has the honor of being only the 2nd person to earn a killfile entry. He's now sitting next to Jesus Monroy, Jr. it is not a proud from you to talk about who you are blocking. _