Re: vkernel & GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 11:42:57AM +0200, Jordan Gordeev wrote: > > vkernel is similar to User Mode Linux technology. You can boot vkernel as a > > user mode process. I think it will be good to have similar in FreeBSD. > > There are several links: > > http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/users/

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Robert Watson
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Murray Stokely wrote: The FreeBSD Project was again accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code. The student application period will begin next week so if you have any ideas for great student projects, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or post t

Re: vkernel & GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, Sorry for jumping in here, but I've seen several people talking about that "5 seconds to reboot" thing ... Are you aware that a standard FreeBSD kernel also takes just 5 seconds to reboot within qemu? And that's even when _not_ using the kqemu accelerator module. I've used qemu a lot for deb

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:43:49PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >> I have 4 computers, 1 big FreeBSD-current (4 x86 procs), 2 GentooLinux (1 >> is a dial AMD Opteron, the other a dual older x86), and 1 MacOSX (dual >> PPC). I was

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I have 4 computers, 1 big FreeBSD-current (4 x86 procs), 2 GentooLinux (1 >> is a dial AMD Opteron, the other a dual older

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible > to stretch our present smp software to be able to extend the management > domains to cover multiple computers? Some sort of a bridge here, because > there is n

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >> What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible >> to stretch our present smp software to be able to extend the management >> domains to

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would > probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and the > general idea of clustering, as typified by Beowulf? I was under the > impression I

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Chuck Robey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: >> Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would >> probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and the >> general i

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Julian Elischer
Chuck Robey wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could answer me one quiestion, then I would probably know for sure. What is the difference between our SMP and t

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:01:45PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >> What is most important in my considerations are, how might it to possible > >> to stretch

Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Schuller
Hello, Reading the recent thread on -current regarding dropping KSE and the evolution of application design with respect to concurrency, prompted me to want to ask what people think regarding the desirability and/or feasability of making FreeBSD support an asynchronous interface to *all* system ca

Re: Building in /usr/src copied to $HOME

2008-03-19 Thread Max Laier
On Wednesday 19 March 2008 05:36:47 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2008-03-18 21:28, V??clav Haisman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to use /usr/src copied to my $HOME but the build process > > doesn't want to work. For example when I try build /bin/cp I get the > > following: > >

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Kris Kennaway
Robert Watson wrote: On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Murray Stokely wrote: The FreeBSD Project was again accepted as a mentoring organization for the Google Summer of Code. The student application period will begin next week so if you have any ideas for great student projects, please send them to [EMAI

Re: Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Julian Elischer
Peter Schuller wrote: Hello, Reading the recent thread on -current regarding dropping KSE and the evolution of application design with respect to concurrency, prompted me to want to ask what people think regarding the desirability and/or feasability of making FreeBSD support an asynchronous inte

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:10:12 -0400 Chuck Robey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not completely yet (I tend to be stubborn, if I carry this too far, tell me > in private mail and I will politely drop it). Your use cases show me the > differences in size, and *because* of the size, the differences in h

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:33:11 +0100 Erik Trulsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A system that is written to work in a clustered environment can fairly > easily be moved to run on an SMP machine, but it will do a lot of work > that is not necessary under SMP and thus not make very good use of the > ha

Re: Asynchronous syscalls for massive concurrency

2008-03-19 Thread Peter Schuller
> KSE's asynchronous system calls could be used to do what you suggest > however it turns out that if you are going to do this you probably want to > do it in a way where the program is aware of what is going on, > so the ability to make all syscalls "TRANSPARENTLY ASYNCHRONOUS" is > not really a

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Stefan Sperling
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:17:21PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: > You can > also come up with your own project ideas if we have missed one :) I've got one: Implement wake on lan support for every ethernet device driver in the tree. ifconfig in -CURRENT already supports configuring WOL, but there'

Re: vkernel & GSoC, some questions

2008-03-19 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Matthew Dillon wrote: :> :Matt, :>... :> :Don't you use something like VMWare for development and debugging? : :> We use vkernel's for development and debugging. Pretty much everything :> except hardware device driver development can be done using a vkernel... : :Does that include tryi

Re: Summer of Code 2008 Project Ideas

2008-03-19 Thread Christian Laursen
Stefan Sperling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:17:21PM +0100, Kris Kennaway wrote: >> You can >> also come up with your own project ideas if we have missed one :) > > I've got one: Implement wake on lan support for every ethernet > device driver in the tree. I like that

Re: remote operation or admin

2008-03-19 Thread Mike Meyer
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:31:24 -0700 Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 02:03:54PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >>> Well, I am, and I'm not, if you could ans