Re: if_fxp - the real point

gt; Sam > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "David O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Alex Zepeda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:42 AM > > Subject: Re:

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 06:38 PM 03/30/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Dennis writes: >. > > My competitors probably sell twice as many boards as I do and I'll bet > that > > I make more profit than they do. Selling more is not necessarily good. > > Selling more can be very bad. WHO you sell to and HOW MUCH they

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At 06:38 PM 03/30/2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Dennis writes: >. > > My competitors probably sell twice as many boards as I do and I'll bet > that > > I make more profit than they do. Selling more is not necessarily good. > > Selling more can be very bad. WHO you sell to and HOW MUCH they

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Dennis writes: . > My competitors probably sell twice as many boards as I do and I'll bet that > I make more profit than they do. Selling more is not necessarily good. > Selling more can be very bad. WHO you sell to and HOW MUCH they pay are > more important. Its all about MARGIN. And you l

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At 02:50 PM 03/30/2001, Drew Eckhardt wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >m writes: > >And lets face it. If MS had a good product, they would have a much larger > >market share and linux would be a non-issue. MS just makes shitty stuff. > >Its not about "open source". > >D

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] m writes: >And lets face it. If MS had a good product, they would have a much larger >market share and linux would be a non-issue. MS just makes shitty stuff. >Its not about "open source". Directly, it isn't. Indirectly, it is. >its about how

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At 12:49 PM 03/30/2001, Peter Seebach wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis writes: >[snip] > >Dennis, everything you're saying sounds exactly like the people who were >saying, five or ten years ago, that Linux would *never* make *any* difference, >because Microsoft had already won. Micr

Re: if_fxp - the real point

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis writes: [snip] Dennis, everything you're saying sounds exactly like the people who were saying, five or ten years ago, that Linux would *never* make *any* difference, because Microsoft had already won. If there is a measurable population of people to whom o

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At 10:40 AM 03/30/2001, you wrote: >On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:40:05PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > Im sure that Intel is really sweating over your decision. > >I think they should. When people realise they are buying into something >tainted and undisclosed only open to an 'elite' crowd (like dennis)

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:40:05PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > Im sure that Intel is really sweating over your decision. I think they should. When people realise they are buying into something tainted and undisclosed only open to an 'elite' crowd (like dennis) then people will look elsewhere. There

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On Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 09:40:05PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > 3com never has, Uh, how do you think Bill Paul wrote the xl driver? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

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At 07:20 PM 03/29/2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: >Sorry everybody, I have to express my opinion now. > >Dennis, it seems like that you keep repeating yourself here >And you keep being wrong. As a hardware designer myself, I can >assure you that there is no connection between hardware quality >

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Sorry everybody, I have to express my opinion now. Dennis, it seems like that you keep repeating yourself here And you keep being wrong. As a hardware designer myself, I can assure you that there is no connection between hardware quality and level of documentation. And having fought with In

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 11:01 AM 03/29/2001, you wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > > > At 04:22 PM 03/28/2001, Chistopher S. Weimann wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:33:21PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > > > > > > > Your logic is backwards. You think that rewarding mediocre > companies will > > > > scare

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > At 04:22 PM 03/28/2001, Chistopher S. Weimann wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:33:21PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > > > > > Your logic is backwards. You think that rewarding mediocre companies will > > > scare good companies into wanting a piece of the pie. Th

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At 04:22 PM 03/28/2001, Chistopher S. Weimann wrote: >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:33:21PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > > > Your logic is backwards. You think that rewarding mediocre companies will > > scare good companies into wanting a piece of the pie. The only thing that > > it will do is consume th

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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:33:21PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > > Your logic is backwards. You think that rewarding mediocre companies will > scare good companies into wanting a piece of the pie. The only thing that > it will do is consume these companies so that the good companies can have a > larg

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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:51:14PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > Why would they need to do that? Every time you load a program it updates > the libraries, breaking older programs. Its a philosophical problem. You > dont need a grant to figure it out. You JUST DON'T GET IT [academic research]. And any

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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:41:53PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > With 2000 and above, your system will check for non-digitally signed > dll's and etc. Being signed has nothing to do with correctly working. The project I was speaking about wanted to be able to do something about you buying that won

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Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 13:36] wrote: > > At 01:47 PM 03/14/2001, you wrote: > > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:09:15AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers > > > > rather than flaws in t

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* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 13:36] wrote: > At 01:47 PM 03/14/2001, you wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:09:15AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers > > > rather than flaws in the core OS? (*) > > > >ALL the time. M

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At 02:31 PM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >-On [20010314 17:38], Dennis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >At 06:35 AM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > >>That's what Soeren and me did. HighPoint was very forthcoming with > >>documentation and as part of that synergy they put

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At 01:47 PM 03/14/2001, you wrote: >On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:09:15AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers > > rather than flaws in the core OS? (*) > >ALL the time. Microsoft has given the UC-Davis security and formal >verificati

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At 02:31 PM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >-On [20010314 17:38], Dennis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >At 06:35 AM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > > >>That's what Soeren and me did. HighPoint was very forthcoming with > >>documentation and as part of that synergy they put

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On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:37:34AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > ALL the time. Microsoft has given the UC-Davis security and formal > > verification lab a multi-year grant to look at this problem. > > (the approach being researched is "model checking") > > How does one get the forms for the

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-On [20010314 17:38], Dennis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >At 06:35 AM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > >>That's what Soeren and me did. HighPoint was very forthcoming with >>documentation and as part of that synergy they put the FreeBSD Hardware >>logo on their frontpage

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* David O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 10:47] wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:09:15AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers > > rather than flaws in the core OS? (*) > > ALL the time. Microsoft has given the UC-Davis secur

Re: if_fxp - the real point

On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:09:15AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > how many times does windows crash because of poorly written drivers > rather than flaws in the core OS? (*) ALL the time. Microsoft has given the UC-Davis security and formal verification lab a multi-year grant to look at this p

Re: if_fxp - the real point

> You cant strong-arm companies into making their intellectual properly > rights publicly available. its a losing argument. Strange, in that it worked for a number of video-card vendors when XFree86 either dropped support and/or never supported the card in question. Nate To Unsubscribe: send

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* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 09:21] wrote: > At 12:09 PM 03/14/2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 08:14] wrote: > > > > > > A better strategy would be to welcome ALL vendors AND binary distributions > > > (who may release source under NDA if they chose) s

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At 12:09 PM 03/14/2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 08:14] wrote: > > > > A better strategy would be to welcome ALL vendors AND binary distributions > > (who may release source under NDA if they chose) so that the best products > > could be available for FreeBSD w

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At 11:32 AM 03/14/2001, you wrote: >Dennis wrote: > > > > At 06:35 AM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > > >-On [20010310 01:00], Lyndon Nerenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > >Perhaps a first step towards leaning on the vendors for documentation > > > >is to publically declare our su

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* Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010314 08:14] wrote: > > A better strategy would be to welcome ALL vendors AND binary distributions > (who may release source under NDA if they chose) so that the best products > could be available for FreeBSD without the adversity of the > "geek-revolution" that

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At 06:35 AM 03/14/2001, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: >-On [20010310 01:00], Lyndon Nerenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >Perhaps a first step towards leaning on the vendors for documentation > >is to publically declare our support for those vendors who *do* > >release documentation under reason

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-On [20010310 01:00], Lyndon Nerenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Perhaps a first step towards leaning on the vendors for documentation >is to publically declare our support for those vendors who *do* >release documentation under reasonable terms. One way to do this >is to acknowledge those vendo

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 10:37 PM 03/10/2001, Peter Seebach wrote: >If anyone has a specific part number or model information about the new >unsupported PHY, I'd be happy to look it up and tell you what, if anything, >I can find out. I can't send out copies of the source without some kind >of formal approval, but I co

Re: if_fxp - the real point

On 2001-03-10 21:56 -0600, Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Out of idle curiousity, has the NIH syndrome died down enough that > it might hypothetically be possible for the three major *BSD camps > to cooperate on this kind of thing? Form an organization the purpose > of which is to ge

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On Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0600, Peter Seebach wrote: > For that matter, is the fxp still the most-recommended driver on Alpha? It *never* has been the recommended driver on FreeBSD/Alpha. The fxp driver has had issues on Alpha for a long time. Andrew will fix something with it, then i

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Tim wrote: > > Is there a point of contact at Intel that we could all send e-mail to or > even send a formal letter? I am sure my buying 50 or so boards a year > isn't going to make a dent at Intel's bottom line, but considering how > their stock is doing lately and if we all contribute... Crai

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> Out of idle curiousity, has the NIH syndrome died down enough that it might > hypothetically be possible for the three major *BSD camps to cooperate on this > kind of thing? No, I'm afraid it hasn't. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunate

Re: if_fxp - the real point

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Smith writes: >The FreeBSD project already has a BSD/OS source distribution, however the >required information is NOT THERE. Ok? Okay. I just figured I'd ask, since it's information I have. Hmm. Out of idle curiousity, has the NIH syndrome died down enoug

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> Okay, maybe I'm missing something... > > 1. Has anyone tried one of these new Intel parts with BSD/OS? > 2. Do any of the people involved with this have source licenses to BSD/OS? > > I am quite sure BSDi hasn't been swamped with "help, my Intel card isn't > working" requests. I'm also quit

Re: if_fxp - the real point

Okay, maybe I'm missing something... 1. Has anyone tried one of these new Intel parts with BSD/OS? 2. Do any of the people involved with this have source licenses to BSD/OS? I am quite sure BSDi hasn't been swamped with "help, my Intel card isn't working" requests. I'm also quite sure that th

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jonathan Lemon writes: : You can't find the answers to any of these in the datasheets. The : datasheets may provide a tiny bit of information, and hint at how things : actually operate, but there is not sufficient information to develop a : driver from them. Their

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My point of (failed) contact last April was a Gary @ 503 264 7243 (I was informed by Theo that he was "Intel's 'Open Source' representative) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

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At 03:37 PM 03/10/2001, Tim wrote: >Is there a point of contact at Intel that we could all send e-mail to or >even send a formal letter? I am sure my buying 50 or so boards a year >isn't going to make a dent at Intel's bottom line, but considering how >their stock is doing lately and if we all co

Re: if_fxp - the real point

Is there a point of contact at Intel that we could all send e-mail to or even send a formal letter? I am sure my buying 50 or so boards a year isn't going to make a dent at Intel's bottom line, but considering how their stock is doing lately and if we all contribute... Thanks, Tim To Unsubscri

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At 01:49 PM 03/10/2001, Romain Kang wrote: >As a newcomer to this, I'm a little confused. There's a slew >of datasheets at Intel's web site > http://www.intel.com/design/network/datashts/index.htm >that don't seem to require NDA. (Just this week, I used the >82559 docs to implement a pol

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> >The tulip cards can be quirky, if nothing else. I used to like the VIA Rhine >cards, because they were cheap, and I had no problems with them... until >suddenly they started crashing at 100Mbps. I don't know why; I ran some of >them under very heavy loads at 100Mbps. I can't tell whether it

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At 01:11 AM 03/10/2001, Bill Paul wrote: > > > > I think its been mentioned several times in this and other threads that > > intel has a driver for LINUX that is effective documentation on the board, > > and the code is public (although you may have to stick an intel copyright > > in the code also

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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >As a newcomer to this, I'm a little confused. There's a slew >of datasheets at Intel's web site > http://www.intel.com/design/network/datashts/index.htm >that don't seem to require NDA. (Just this week, I used the >82559 docs to implement a polle

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> >permission. > > Nope. The last communication I had with Intel was around last May. > Initially, the Field Engineer indicated that Intel wanted to get a > copy of my driver in order to clean it up and put it on Intel's website. > > I provided Intel with the driver, and they passed it to thei

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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: >\- Peter Wemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated on >/- [Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 04:49:12AM -0800]: > >> I have the NDA'ed docs for the Intel gig and fxp cards. After Intel's >> spectacular efforts to bury Johnathan Lemon's driver for their gig card >> (that ou

Re: if_fxp - the real point

As a newcomer to this, I'm a little confused. There's a slew of datasheets at Intel's web site http://www.intel.com/design/network/datashts/index.htm that don't seem to require NDA. (Just this week, I used the 82559 docs to implement a polled version of if_fxp). If the components in qu

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chen Zhao writes: >What is the next most (unofficially of course :) recommended NIC >in terms of driver stability, card reliability and performance, >and driver efficiency (low overhead, etc.), ignoring for the moment >actual NIC price, and just judging from a techn

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\- Peter Wemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated on /- [Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 04:49:12AM -0800]: > I have the NDA'ed docs for the Intel gig and fxp cards. After Intel's > spectacular efforts to bury Johnathan Lemon's driver for their gig card > (that outperformed the Intel Linux driver by something

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Chen Zhao wrote: > \- Mike Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated on > /-[Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0800]: > > > > NDA's in this particular space serve a limited set of purposes: > > > > - They constitute engineering damage control; witness Realtek's > >unhappiness at Bill's honest c

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\- Mike Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stated on /- [Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:02:22PM -0800]: > > NDA's in this particular space serve a limited set of purposes: > > - They constitute engineering damage control; witness Realtek's >unhappiness at Bill's honest commentary on their documented

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> > I think its been mentioned several times in this and other threads that > intel has a driver for LINUX that is effective documentation on the board, > and the code is public (although you may have to stick an intel copyright > in the code also). Whoever mentioned this was not thinking cle

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> > I think its been mentioned several times in this and other threads that > intel has a driver for LINUX that is effective documentation on the board, > and the code is public (although you may have to stick an intel copyright > in the code also). It hasn't been mentioned in this thread tha

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 05:12 PM 03/09/2001, Bill Paul wrote: >Gr. > >(Yes, that's a bad omen. Get the women and children to safety now.) > >(On second thought, leave the women.) > >I think there's one important point that a lot of you are missing here, >which is GETTING DOCUMENTATION. I've seen a couple people su

Re: The ideal NIC (Re: if_fxp - the real point)

On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:03:33PM +, E.B. Dreger scribbled: | Bear with me and allow me my delusions while I daydream... | | What with FPGA technology as reasonable as it is, and the amount of hw/sw | talent on these lists, maybe people should band together and come up with | a NIC? Maybe h

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Yes. This is good. I'd vote for LSI-Logic as being a sterling example of making documentation available. I'd out QLogic and others way down the list as the "don't get it" variety. > > I think there's one important point that a lot of you are missing here, > > which is GETTING DOCUMENTATION.

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> I think there's one important point that a lot of you are missing here, > which is GETTING DOCUMENTATION. Perhaps a first step towards leaning on the vendors for documentation is to publically declare our support for those vendors who *do* release documentation under reasonable terms. One way t

Re: The ideal NIC (Re: if_fxp - the real point)

:What production volumes are required before ASICs are feasible? What :about having a FreeBSD CDROM + NIC bundle featuring whatever card gets :designed? : :If ya can't join 'em, beat 'em. : :Okay. Back to work and reality. :-) : :Eddy Designing an ASIC will have an NRE of probably around $5

The ideal NIC (Re: if_fxp - the real point)

Bear with me and allow me my delusions while I daydream... What with FPGA technology as reasonable as it is, and the amount of hw/sw talent on these lists, maybe people should band together and come up with a NIC? Maybe have native mode + Tulip/PNIC clone compatibility mode. Take a look at www.

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It seems Bill Paul wrote: > "But Bill, you work for BSDi now. Can't they get you manuals?" Working for > BSDi is irrelevant: I can't sign any NDAs if I want to release driver > source, and I do want to release the source. And there isn't a designated > person at BSDi that I can turn to to help tur

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Hi. Of the 8 machines that I own, all of the NIC's work just fine. Thank you for doing such a great job! To the rest of you: read the hardware.txt. Use a supported card or go suck a rotten egg. Bill Paul wrote: > > Gr. > > (Yes, that's a bad omen. Get the women and children to safety n

Re: if_fxp - the real point

Gr. (Yes, that's a bad omen. Get the women and children to safety now.) (On second thought, leave the women.) I think there's one important point that a lot of you are missing here, which is GETTING DOCUMENTATION. I've seen a couple people suggest that they'd be willing to donate time/code/

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > What board is this? > > If this is the board I think it is, it's a Supermicro P6DLE dual Slot-1 > motherboard with an integrated Intel 82559 (no external PHY). I've worked with this board before (don't have any on hand anymore). I remember getting the "u

Re: if_fxp - the real point

gt; Sam > > - Original Message - > From: "David O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Alex Zepeda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point > > >

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> > > Ive spoken with Mr Johnson several times. hes the biggest reason that BSDI > > > is what it is. Amazing that hes still there. He has no concept of what the > > > market wants. First he wanted to challenge microsoft (at similar prices) > > > for the server market now he wants to be redhat. fu

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What board is this? Sam - Original Message - From: "David O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alex Zepeda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:42 AM Subject: Re: if_fxp - the real point > On Thu,

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> > > >Call BSDi (numbers on their website) and ask to speak to Gary Johnson > > >(CEO) or Mark Garver (senior VP) and ask them yourself. If you get a > > >useful answer, please tell the rest of us; especially me, since I burnt > > >out trying to make it happen. > > > > Ive spoken with Mr Johnso

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> > > You've got a valid problem. Go away. > >"You've got a valid problem, go away." huh?? >His points are very valid about maintenance of the `fxp' driver. >His views on how to make something happen are what is a little out of >touch. I tried sitting with my hands folded. It didnt work. DB

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On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 06:13:07PM -0800, Alex Zepeda wrote: > However, there *ARE* some of us who aren't intimate with your fxp > problems. The problem does exist. I have a board that the `fxp' driver splits this out for: fxp0: warning: unsupported PHY, type = 17, addr = 2 fxp1: warnin

Re: if_fxp - the real point

> maybe commercial vendors would be willing to fund some freebsd projects if > there was a positive relationship. They do, and there is. I'm continually irritated that we can't work out a better relationship with you/ETinc, since I think it'd be to our mutual benefit. You're just one of thos

Re: if_fxp - the real point

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:03:48PM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: > If it becomes a > problem, the most expensive 10/100 nic you could possiably buy is less > the $100 bucks so worry about it then. You've never tried to find a NuBus 100baseTX adapter have you? About $150 a pop, new. The Asante doe

Re: if_fxp - the real point

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:48:12PM -0500, Dennis wrote: > No. Keeping supported drivers up to date is part of the business of > distributing an OS. Thats what "supported" implies. The driver is out of > date. Noone is looking for a feature here. We just want it to work. Dennis, dear Dennis. I

Re: if_fxp - the real point

They work fine, it's just the newer cards that Dennis is having problems with. I have about 10 cards using the fxp driver here now and I fully expect them to work well into the future. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the

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> PS: Whatever happened to all of the "support" that BSDI was going to provide? It's paid support. BSDi is a company, just like you. You want to buy a contract, we'll sell you one. Or would you just prefer to stand on the doorstep bitching in order to see yourself in print? - Jordan To Unsub

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From: Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: if_fxp - the real point Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 12:15:09 -0500 > I dont have time for weenie flame wars with people who are more interested > in ignoring problems than fixing them. Well, there are different kinds of weenie flame wars. So

Re: if_fxp - the real point

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:11:56PM -0500, Greg Skouby wrote: > I know this doesn't belong on -hackers so I apologize in advance. However, > it seems like the right time and place to ask with the conversation going > on. How *broke* is the if_fxp driver? We have them onboard in a handful > of prett

Re: if_fxp - the real point

Hello, I know this doesn't belong on -hackers so I apologize in advance. However, it seems like the right time and place to ask with the conversation going on. How *broke* is the if_fxp driver? We have them onboard in a handful of pretty low traffic dell machines and have them in a dell machine

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 12:20 PM 03/08/2001, Peter Seebach wrote: >In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis writes: > >PS: Whatever happened to all of the "support" that BSDI was going to > provide? > >I have no doubt that the BSDi sales office would be happy to sell you a >contract. For that matter, I believe they ar

RE: if_fxp - the real point

At 12:50 PM 03/08/2001, Andy [TECC NOPS] wrote: > > There's a maintainer for the fxp driver, who currently happens to be out > > of circulation. Nobody else has stepped up to take it on because > > obviously nobody is motivated to do the work. > >Would love to step up and produce a patch, just to

Re: if_fxp - the real point

At 12:35 PM 03/08/2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > The point here seems very simple. The intel NICs are on a large number of > > MBs and the eepro100 is the most popular card on the market. So why is > > there vitually no maintainer for arguably the most important driver in the > > freebsd tree whe

RE: if_fxp - the real point

> There's a maintainer for the fxp driver, who currently happens to be out > of circulation. Nobody else has stepped up to take it on because > obviously nobody is motivated to do the work. Would love to step up and produce a patch, just too busy at the mo working on other things. However, if

Re: if_fxp - the real point

> > The point here seems very simple. The intel NICs are on a large number of > MBs and the eepro100 is the most popular card on the market. So why is > there vitually no maintainer for arguably the most important driver in the > freebsd tree when there are maintainers for scads of obscure, mu

Re: if_fxp - the real point

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis writes: >PS: Whatever happened to all of the "support" that BSDI was going to provide? I have no doubt that the BSDi sales office would be happy to sell you a contract. For that matter, I believe they are quite happy to do funded development. Want the fxp

if_fxp - the real point

I dont have time for weenie flame wars with people who are more interested in ignoring problems than fixing them. The point here seems very simple. The intel NICs are on a large number of MBs and the eepro100 is the most popular card on the market. So why is there vitually no maintainer for ar