Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-25 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and - what are the man differences between the old and new ways. and it is starting to turn into a flame/bikeshed. i just don't see what's wrong in SIMPLE procedure that just use existing C compiler and just sys sources Thanks for the information. I'll restore the documentation with update

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-25 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:28:48AM +0100, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > Hi! > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 05:38:58PM +0100, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > > > > # make buildkernel ... KERNFAST=1 > > Is it documented somewhere? I was using NO_CLEAN=1. > Yep, build(7). -- Mateusz Guzik _

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-25 Thread Jeremie Le Hen
Hi! On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 05:38:58PM +0100, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > > # make buildkernel ... KERNFAST=1 Is it documented somewhere? I was using NO_CLEAN=1. -- Jeremie Le Hen Scientists say the world is made up of Protons, Neutrons and Electrons. They forgot to mention Morons. __

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-23 Thread Dieter BSD
Julian writes: > it is however a good way to get mismatching kernel and userland > but that's not what we are discussing. The method recommended on http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html "# make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL" is also a good way to get

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-23 Thread Julian Elischer
On 11/22/12 1:17 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1)

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-23 Thread Eitan Adler
On 23 November 2012 12:48, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >>For new/non-advanced users, this shouldn't necessarily be exposed >> except as an implementation detail and a historical artifact; more Lets kill this thread now. I have the answers to - should we keep the documentation and - what are th

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
For new/non-advanced users, this shouldn't necessarily be exposed except as an implementation detail and a historical artifact; more why? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsub

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I do buy the argument that B is simpler than A, despite the fact that B requires more commands than A. B can be thought-of as simpler because I only have to memorize three things to get a kernel: (1) start with a config file, (2) run config with said file (3) follow the instructions that config

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. > While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the > "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1) manually. > > Is there any value in keep

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Devin Teske
On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Chris Rees wrote: > > On 22 Nov 2012 18:56, "Wojciech Puchar" > wrote: > >> > >> > >> How is it simpler? > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > strange question i thought it is obviously clear. > > > > $EDITOR config > > config > > cd ../compile/ > > make depend > >

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I was only confused because you had asserted that six commands was simpler-- Now you point out that you don't keep a src tree, paired with freebsd-update it is be a good combination for custom kernels :) Thank you for clarifying. this is not a discussion. __

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Chris Rees
On 22 Nov 2012 18:56, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> >> How is it simpler? >> >> Chris >> >> >> > strange question i thought it is obviously clear. > > $EDITOR config > config > cd ../compile/ > make depend > make > make install > > > that's all. and no need to keep whole /usr/src, just sys > > w

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
How is it simpler? Chris strange question i thought it is obviously clear. $EDITOR config config cd ../compile/ make depend make make install that's all. and no need to keep whole /usr/src, just sys what is wrong in it? ___ freebsd-hackers@fre

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Chris Rees
On 22 Nov 2012 16:26, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >>> >>> >> >> Value: ability to embed entire config (comments and all) into the kernel > > > value 2: simplicity. > How is it simpler? Chris ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebs

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Mateusz Guzik
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:35:57AM -0500, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > > I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. > > While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the > > "old style" kernel configu

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. > While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the > "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1) manually. > > Is there any value in keep

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Value: ability to embed entire config (comments and all) into the kernel value 2: simplicity. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-un

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012, Eitan Adler wrote: I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1) manually. Is there any value in keeping this document

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-21 Thread Eitan Adler
On 21 November 2012 23:52, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 11/21/12 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >> I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. >> While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the >> "old style" kernel configuration involving running conf

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-21 Thread Julian Elischer
On 11/21/12 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1) manually. Is there any value in keeping this documented

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-21 Thread Bryan Drewery
On 11/21/2012 8:21 PM, Devin Teske wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > >> I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. >> While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the >> "old style" kernel configuration involving running co

Re: old style kernel configuration

2012-11-21 Thread Devin Teske
On Nov 21, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > I've been working on removing obsolete information various documents. > While going through older articles I noticed a few references to the > "old style" kernel configuration involving running config(1) manually. > I always build kernels with c