Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Joel Ray Holveck
>> I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of >> programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, >> though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the GNU people right ahead. > There has been talking of having a libgnu.a to contain common > routines l

Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Joel Ray Holveck
>> I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of >> programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, >> though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the GNU people right ahead. > There has been talking of having a libgnu.a to contain common > routines

Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Alexander Voropay wrote: > glibc has better POSIX locale and I18N / L10N support : > - localedef(1) and locale(1) utilities > - nl_langinfo(3) XPG-4 function > - gettext built-in into glibc Again this is just a handful of functions, that IMO are best not put into libc. Take

Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Alexander Voropay wrote: > glibc has better POSIX locale and I18N / L10N support : > - localedef(1) and locale(1) utilities > - nl_langinfo(3) XPG-4 function > - gettext built-in into glibc Again this is just a handful of functions, that IMO are best not put into libc. Tak

Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Alexander Voropay
>> Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in >> opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to >> avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) > >Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might >be an easier option than porting *shud

Re: glibc

1999-07-20 Thread Alexander Voropay
>> Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in >> opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to >> avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) > >Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might >be an easier option than porting *shu

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Mike Smith
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might > > be an easier option than porting *shudder* glibc? > > I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) > easier. And, as a side note, I think both Fr

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Mike Smith
> On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might > > be an easier option than porting *shudder* glibc? > > I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) > easier. And, as a side note, I think both F

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19990719080712.a15...@holly.dyndns.org> Chris Costello writes: > : getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? > > Not everyone hates them... Sure, I don't hate them either... until I try and port something that depends on t

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread John Polstra
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Polstra wrote: > >> Left as an exercise for the reader: Figure out how the two differ >> and which one is "better". :-) > > I'd rather hurt myself severely. Of course. That's a prerequisite for becoming a committer. :-) John --- John Polstr

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Polstra wrote: > In article , > Brian F. Feldman wrote: > > > [GNU getopt] > > If you give me documentation on it, I'll implement it for the BSD libc. > > Note, we already have GNU getopt in the source tree in libiberty (in > two different places -- binutils and gdb).

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread John Polstra
In article , Brian F. Feldman wrote: > [GNU getopt] > If you give me documentation on it, I'll implement it for the BSD libc. Note, we already have GNU getopt in the source tree in libiberty (in two different places -- binutils and gdb). It might be better just to install libiberty from one of

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message > Per Lundberg writes: > : I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > : programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, > : though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the GNU people right a

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > > is a bug. > > I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > programs. Perhaps it should have been put i

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chris Costello writes: > : getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? > > Not everyone hates them... Sure, I don't hate them either... until I try and port something that depends on them. Then I get ann

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread John Polstra
Brian F. Feldman wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Polstra wrote: > >> Left as an exercise for the reader: Figure out how the two differ >> and which one is "better". :-) > > I'd rather hurt myself severely. Of course. That's a prerequisite for becoming a committer. :-) John --- John Polst

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, John Polstra wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Brian F. Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [GNU getopt] > > If you give me documentation on it, I'll implement it for the BSD libc. > > Note, we already have GNU getopt in the source tree in libiberty (in > two

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread John Polstra
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian F. Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [GNU getopt] > If you give me documentation on it, I'll implement it for the BSD libc. Note, we already have GNU getopt in the source tree in libiberty (in two different places -- binutils and gdb). It might be better

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Per >Lundberg writes: > : I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > : programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, > : though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Brian F. Feldman
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > > is a bug. > > I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > programs. Perhaps it should have been put

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > There has been talking of having a libgnu.a to contain common > routines like the long getopt... Yeah, I was thinking about something like that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the me

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message <19990719080712.a15...@holly.dyndns.org> Chris Costello writes: : getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Not everyone hates them... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message Per Lundberg writes: : I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of : programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, : though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the GNU people right ahead. There has been talking of having a libgnu.a

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
> (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). FreeBSD does have a real, 100% posix compatible getopt. Maybe you are missing one of the numerous, non-standard Linux extentions? Gnu's getopt can be found in about a dozen different places in the FreeBSD tree. cvs, tar, etc. Warner T

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > There has been talking of having a libgnu.a to contain common > routines like the long getopt... Yeah, I was thinking about something like that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the messa

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Chris Costello writes: : getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Not everyone hates them... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Per Lundberg writes: : I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of : programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, : though. Actually, I'd better suggest this to the GNU people right ahead. There has been talking o

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Warner Losh
> (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). FreeBSD does have a real, 100% posix compatible getopt. Maybe you are missing one of the numerous, non-standard Linux extentions? Gnu's getopt can be found in about a dozen different places in the FreeBSD tree. cvs, tar, etc. Warner

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Chris Costello
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Chris Costello wrote: > > > >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? > > Hi, I'm Daniel. Pleased to meet you. Now you know someone who > doesn't hate it. Good

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris Costello wrote: > >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Hi, I'm Daniel. Pleased to meet you. Now you know someone who doesn't hate it. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > How about gnugetopt? FreeBSD already has a port, devel/libgnugetopt, > that does this. :) Great. I'll check this out. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote: >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Nothing. But I don't think they're as bad as you say, especially when you're new to a program and don't know the short options ye

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Steve Price
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: # On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: # # > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine # > is a bug. # # I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of # programs. Perhaps it should have been put i

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Chris Costello
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > > is a bug. > > I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > programs. Perhaps it should have been put i

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Chris Costello
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Chris Costello wrote: > > > >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? > > Hi, I'm Daniel. Pleased to meet you. Now you know someone who > doesn't hate it. Good

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > is a bug. I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, though. Actually, I'd bette

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Chris Costello wrote: > >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Hi, I'm Daniel. Pleased to meet you. Now you know someone who doesn't hate it. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > How about gnugetopt? FreeBSD already has a port, devel/libgnugetopt, > that does this. :) Great. I'll check this out. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Chris Costello wrote: >What is the point of using GNU-getopt over the standard > getopt other than --foo-bar flags that everyone I know hates? Nothing. But I don't think they're as bad as you say, especially when you're new to a program and don't know the short options y

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Steve Price
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: # On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: # # > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine # > is a bug. # # I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of # programs. Perhaps it should have been put

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Chris Costello
On Mon, Jul 19, 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > > > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > > is a bug. > > I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of > programs. Perhaps it should have been put

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine > is a bug. I know it isn't standard. But it works well, and is used by a lot of programs. Perhaps it should have been put in another library than libc, though. Actually, I'd bett

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > You think so? Yes. > I experience a lot of this when I try to recompile stuff for FreeBSD > (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). *sigh* It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine is a bug. AFAIK *ONLY*

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > I seriously doubt this will make porting any easier. You think so? I experience a lot of this when I try to recompile stuff for FreeBSD (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). > c.) dependencies on bugs in glibc. What bugs have you found

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) > easier. And, as a side note, I think both FreeBSD and Linux would benefit > of having compatible libc:s. I seriously doubt this will make porting any easier. 99% of the porting issu

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Per Lundberg
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might > be an easier option than porting *shudder* glibc? I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) easier. And, as a side note, I think both FreeBSD and Linu

Re: glibc

1999-07-19 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > You think so? Yes. > I experience a lot of this when I try to recompile stuff for FreeBSD > (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). *sigh* It's quite easily argued that depending on a *NON STANDARD* getopt routine is a bug. AFAIK *ONLY

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Per Lundberg
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > I seriously doubt this will make porting any easier. You think so? I experience a lot of this when I try to recompile stuff for FreeBSD (most of it are due to lack of a real getopt routine). > c.) dependencies on bugs in glibc. What bugs have you found

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) > easier. And, as a side note, I think both FreeBSD and Linux would benefit > of having compatible libc:s. I seriously doubt this will make porting any easier. 99% of the porting iss

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Per Lundberg
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might > be an easier option than porting *shudder* glibc? I need a libc 100% compatible with glibc to make porting (from Linux) easier. And, as a side note, I think both FreeBSD and Lin

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in > opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to > avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might be

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Alex Zepeda
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in > opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to > avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) Perhaps if you explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, there might b

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Chris Costello
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in > opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to > avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) Not that I know of, but what's the point? -- |Chris Costello |Programmi

Re: glibc

1999-07-18 Thread Chris Costello
On Sun, Jul 18, 1999, Per Lundberg wrote: > Has anybody done a port of glibc to FreeBSD? (I'm not interested in > opinions about how poor it is or how evil the FSF are; I'm only asking to > avoid duplicate work. Thanks.) Not that I know of, but what's the point? -- |Chris Costello <[EMAIL PR