Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
Dmitry Marakasov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Afaik, one is unable to boot from gpt partitions. except on EFI machines (Itanium and Intel Macs), but it is possible to combine GPT with an MBR such that you get a bootable partition (if nothing else, GEOM allows you to stick a GPT in a partition or

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :> "Dmitry" == Dmitry Marakasov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : :Dmitry> * Matthew Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: :>> felt that 8 partitions is restrictive. My main home server has 10 :>> and the main DragonFly box has 11. :>> :>> There is another solution for FreeBSD folks, however. You

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread Dmitry Marakasov
* David Gilbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Dmitry> About `lack' of partitions - don't forget that labels can be > Dmitry> nested. Just do `bsdlabel -w /dev/ad0s1e` - you'll get > Dmitry> /dev/ad0s1ea. > Don't also forget that gpt(8) exists and seems to provide for large > numbers of partitions.

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread David Gilbert
> "Dmitry" == Dmitry Marakasov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dmitry> * Matthew Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> felt that 8 partitions is restrictive. My main home server has 10 >> and the main DragonFly box has 11. >> >> There is another solution for FreeBSD folks, however. You *DO* >> h

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread Dmitry Marakasov
* Matthew Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Oh, very cute! A terrible hack if you ask me, but cute all the same! I don't consider it a hack. Pretty expected and consistent behaviour - any block device (be it a whole disk or just a partition) is scanned by geom for magic numbers, and if any found

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-30 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Andreas Klemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : Incompatible to UFS's like from Sun I think we are already, so we : don't have to honour them. Remember a current thread in german BSD : group where somebody complained about FreeBSD - mounting a Sun : filesyste

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :* Matthew Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : :> felt that 8 partitions is restrictive. My main home server has 10 :> and the main DragonFly box has 11. :> :> There is another solution for FreeBSD folks, however. You *DO* have :> four slices to play with. You can put a dis

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-29 Thread Dmitry Marakasov
* Matthew Dillon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > felt that 8 partitions is restrictive. My main home server has 10 > and the main DragonFly box has 11. > > There is another solution for FreeBSD folks, however. You *DO* have > four slices to play with. You can put a disklabel wit

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-29 Thread Andreas Klemm
On Fri, Jul 28, 2006 at 03:36:27PM -0700, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > :> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > : > :Hmm, for the sake of compatibility, wouldn't it have been an option, > :to add this extra

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-28 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Matthew Dillon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > There is another solution for FreeBSD folks, however. You *DO* have > four slices to play with. You can put a disklabel with 8 partitions > in it on each one (for 32 total). It isn't as convenient, but it does >

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-28 Thread Matthew Dillon
:On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: :> On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: :> > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, :> > of course still my main Unix ;-) But it wasn't possible. :> :> DragonFly disklabels allow 1

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-28 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick C. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:33:41PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > "Small disk drive" means "smaller than any drive I can buy at the > > local Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA/similar". At the time, I needed an > > 80GB drive, and paid ab

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-28 Thread Rick C. Petty
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:33:41PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > "Small disk drive" means "smaller than any drive I can buy at the > local Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA/similar". At the time, I needed an > 80GB drive, and paid about $60 for it. Well then your comparison isn't really fair.. Sure,

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 05:34:23PM -0400 I heard the voice of John Baldwin, and lo! it spake thus: > On Thursday 27 July 2006 16:58, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Right. I typically install / and /usr as distinct files systems > > for just that reason (/ and /usr have different backup & recovery > > strate

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick C. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > >Boxes are cheaper than disk space - my last two low-end boxes cost > >less than my last small disk drive, even though I ordered them all > >about the same time. If you can afford the disk for some process, then

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Rick C. Petty
Mike Meyer wrote: >Boxes are cheaper than disk space - my last two low-end boxes cost >less than my last small disk drive, even though I ordered them all >about the same time. If you can afford the disk for some process, then >chances are good you can afford a system instead, or as well. I'm not

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Mike Meyer wrote: A further reason to separate partitions is that dump works at the level of a partition. Different partitions may have very different backup requirements, and for those of us without huge tape drives, partitioning to a size that can be dumped on one tape makes life easier.

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Zbyslaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > >> You assume that "running out of space" happens over time, but with some > >>runaway process logging to a file, for example, the partition filling up > >>will still happen without you expecting it. It might ta

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Mike Meyer wrote: You assume that "running out of space" happens over time, but with some runaway process logging to a file, for example, the partition filling up will still happen without you expecting it. It might take a bit longer with a big disk, but 20 minutes instead of 5 minutes isn't

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday 27 July 2006 16:58, Mike Meyer wrote: > Right. I typically install / and /usr as distinct files systems for > just that reason (/ and /usr have different backup & recovery > strategies and I use dump, so that's why they are two partitions). So > why does / need to be different from /var

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 10:25:28PM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, > > > of course still my main Un

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andreas Klemm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:28:18PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > These days, the only technical reason I know of for having separate > > mountpoints is because you want to run commands that work on > > filesystems on the two parts wi

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael R. Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:28:18PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > > These days, the only technical reason I know of for having separate > > mountpoints is because you want to run commands that work on > > filesystems on the two parts

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Andreas Klemm
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, > > of course still my main Unix ;-) But it wasn't possible. > > DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entri

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Andreas Klemm
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:28:18PM -0400, Mike Meyer wrote: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick C. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM -0400, Steve Ames wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > > > DragonFly disklabels allow

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Mike Meyer wrote: In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick C. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM -0400, Steve Ames wrote: On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entries by default, FreeBSD still lim

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rick C. Petty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM -0400, Steve Ames wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > > DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entries by default, FreeBSD still limits > > > it to 8. That's w

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Rick C. Petty
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM -0400, Steve Ames wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > > > DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entries by default, FreeBSD still limits > > it to 8. That's why you can't read it directly. > > Are there plans to bump the defa

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Brooks Davis
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 09:49:48AM -0400, Steve Ames wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, > > > of course still my main Unix

Re: Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Sergey Babkin
>to followup myself ... I just see, we also have pack identifier, >its the additional struct behind it that differs. >"Bootstrap name" etc... Those are parts of an union, so the total size still shouldn't change. I'd guess that the char[] format is used on-disk and the pointers are used in-memory

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Steve Ames
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 02:21:59PM +0200, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote: > On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, > > of course still my main Unix ;-) But it wasn't possible. > > DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entri

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 08:39:37AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Later I wanted to mount the dfly filesystems on FreeBSD 6.1, > of course still my main Unix ;-) But it wasn't possible. DragonFly disklabels allow 16 entries by default, FreeBSD still limits it to 8. That's why you can't read it dire

Re: disklabel differences FreeBSD, DragonFly

2006-07-27 Thread Andreas Klemm
to followup myself ... I just see, we also have pack identifier, its the additional struct behind it that differs. "Bootstrap name" etc... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD 6 Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ ___