Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-13 Thread Trent Nelson
[ Re-sending due to earlier failure. ] On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:03:07PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Our client wants the following 'features' > and we'd LIKE to be able to at least say "yes we can do that", even if > we can also say "but we don't think it's a good idea". > > > 1/ Comm

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-12 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 04:43:46PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: +> > Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the task? It +> > should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See also +> > acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8). +> +> Acct doesn't give the argume

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread Julian Elischer
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Wesley Peters wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Did we somehow break acct(2), or is that somehow inadequate to the task? It > should be ideal for what Julian's customer wants, I would think. See also > acct(5), sa(8) and accton(8)

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:32:28PM -0800, Wesley Peters wrote: > On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > > > that logs commands may do what they want, b

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread Wesley Peters
On Monday 10 February 2003 23:59, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > > think that if you are going to log things then you

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Dan Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In the last episode (Feb 11), David Schultz said: > > Thus spake Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Our client wants the following 'features' and we'd LIKE to be able > > > to at least say "yes we can do that", even if we can also say "but > > >

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Feb 11), David Schultz said: > Thus spake Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Our client wants the following 'features' and we'd LIKE to be able > > to at least say "yes we can do that", even if we can also say "but > > we don't think it's a good idea". > > > > 2/ they wa

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Our client wants the following 'features' > and we'd LIKE to be able to at least say "yes we can do that", even if > we can also say "but we don't think it's a good idea". > > > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the s

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk-Willem van Gulik
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Julian Elischer wrote: > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along w

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-10 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1/ Command logging. We're thinking that a hacked version of the shell > that logs commands may do what they want, but personally I > think that if you are going to log things then you really want to > PROPERLY do it, and log the EXEC commands along with

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-10 Thread Anthony Schneider
> #2 sounds like a great DOS to me.. > operator > > operator > > operator > put a two (ten???) second delay after each failed login? as for the commands, you could hack sys/kern_acct.c to include command arguments and acct.h for struct acct and all the dependent utilities and libraries and re

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-10 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:40:28AM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: +> +> Anyoone have any modules to REALLY log execs? +> +> Yes, we got: +> +> http://cerber.sourceforge.net +> +> If You want only execve() logging You can try rexec. Or wait on cerb-ng first release. There is defined such

Re: Some "security" questions.

2003-02-10 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:03:07PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: +> Anyoone have any modules to REALLY log execs? Yes, we got: http://cerber.sourceforge.net If You want only execve() logging You can try rexec. -- Pawel Jakub Dawidek UNIX Systems Administrator http://garage.freebsd.pl A