Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-23 Thread Gary Jennejohn
Charles Sprickman writes: > I don't know how much of it to believe, since it is marketing material,=20 > but the Seagate white paper on their site claims that all the=20 > command-queueing stuff brings the performance very close to that of scsi. > In my experience ATA drives really lack when it c

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-23 Thread Søren Schmidt
David Gilbert wrote: "Søren" == Søren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Søren> David Gilbert wrote: "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: João> IIF they really have command queueing, I do believe. So, a João> bridged SATA drive will not have command queuing, right? Well

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread jason
João Carlos Mendes Luís wrote: What is the practical diference? Performance? FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT20xxBH(2.5 inch) Any other drives (as far as I

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread David Gilbert
> "Søren" == Søren Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Søren> David Gilbert wrote: >>> "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >> João> IIF they really have command queueing, I do believe. So, a >> João> bridged SATA drive will not have command queuing, right

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Søren Schmidt wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Thomas Wolf wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 I have one of these, and I am really imp

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Søren Schmidt
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Thomas Wolf wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 I have one of these, and I am really impressed by its performa

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Thomas Wolf wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 I have one of these, and I am really impressed by its performance. I added one to my comput

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Mykel
David Gilbert wrote: "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: João> IIF they really have command queueing, I do believe. So, a João> bridged SATA drive will not have command queuing, right? Well... from what I've read, the WD bridged drives do have queueing becaus

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Thomas Wolf
Stephen Montgomery-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: > > Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: > > > Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 > > I have one of these, and I am really impressed by its performance. I > added one to my compu

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Søren Schmidt
David Gilbert wrote: "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: João> IIF they really have command queueing, I do believe. So, a João> bridged SATA drive will not have command queuing, right? Well... from what I've read, the WD bridged drives do have queueing because they had a

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread David Gilbert
> "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: João> IIF they really have command queueing, I do believe. So, a João> bridged SATA drive will not have command queuing, right? Well... from what I've read, the WD bridged drives do have queueing because they had an ATA-100 impl

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread João Carlos Mendes Luís
Charles Sprickman wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, [ISO-8859-1] João Carlos Mendes Luís wrote: What is the practical diference? Performance? I don't know how much of it to believe, since it is marketing material, but the Seagate white paper on their site claims that all the command-queueing stuff b

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread David Gilbert
> "Charles" == Charles Sprickman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Charles> On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, [ISO-8859-1] João Carlos Mendes Luís Charles> wrote: >> What is the practical diference? Performance? Charles> I don't know how much of it to believe, since it is marketing Charles> material, but the S

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004, [ISO-8859-1] João Carlos Mendes Luís wrote: What is the practical diference? Performance? I don't know how much of it to believe, since it is marketing material, but the Seagate white paper on their site claims that all the command-queueing stuff brings the performance very

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 I have one of these, and I am really impressed by its performance. I added one to my computer, which came with a Maxtor 6Y080L0. My main disk intensive operation i

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread David Gilbert
> "João" == João Carlos Mendes Luís <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: João> What is the practical diference? Performance? FUJISHIMA Well... one practical difference is: what are you paying for? Same old crap with a new connector? One really practical difference is that the SiI 3114 and 3112 chi

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread João Carlos Mendes Luís
What is the practical diference? Performance? FUJISHIMA Satsuki wrote: Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT20xxBH(2.5 inch) Any other drives (as far as I know, of course) are ATA drive

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Søren Schmidt
Steven Hartland wrote: Ah just added TCQ but still bridged I stand corrected :) Right, I guess they just pulled it out from the attic, they had it on some PATA devices back when, but there it newer caught on either :) -- -Søren ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mai

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Søren Schmidt
Steven Hartland wrote: I believe the second gen Raptors ( 74Gb ) are also native SATA nope. Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT20xxBH(2.5 inch) Any other drives (as far as I know, of co

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Steven Hartland
Ah just added TCQ but still bridged I stand corrected :) Steve - Original Message - From: "FUJISHIMA Satsuki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/raptor-wd740gd/index.x?pg=1 |Serial ATA interface Marvell 88i8030C bridge =

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread FUJISHIMA Satsuki
At Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:39:57 -, Steven Hartland wrote: > I believe the second gen Raptors ( 74Gb ) are also native SATA No. http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q1/raptor-wd740gd/index.x?pg=1 |Serial ATA interface Marvell 88i8030C bridge ___ [EMAIL P

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread Steven Hartland
I believe the second gen Raptors ( 74Gb ) are also native SATA Steve - Original Message - From: "FUJISHIMA Satsuki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-22 Thread FUJISHIMA Satsuki
Currently native SATA drives are still not so popular. There are: Seagate Barracuda ATA V, 7200.7, 7200.8 Maxtor DiamondMax10, MaXLineIII Fujitsu MHT20xxBH(2.5 inch) Any other drives (as far as I know, of course) are ATA drive with serial-parallel bridge. At Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:43 -0500, David

Re: List of fake vs. real SATA drives.

2004-11-21 Thread jason
David Gilbert wrote: Is there anyone compiling a list of "fake" vs. "real" SATA drives? The difference being "fake" drives with ATA-100 electronics and an SATA to ATA conversion chip vs. drives that really support SATA natively? Dave. You can find a lot of info in the forums at storagereview.com