On Monday 09 July 2012 22:53:14 Doug Barton wrote:
>
> We get it, change is hard.
No, that isn't what I said at all. I was pointing out that there's some
inconsistency between arguing that we need to make things more predictable
for new users, while simultaneously arguing that we should remove t
On Monday 09 July 2012 09:34:34 Avleen Vig wrote:
> The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and
> `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for
> people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally
> standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Takin
On Thursday 05 July 2012 20:08:36 Eitan Adler wrote
>
> The system should be optimized for new users by default.
No. People aren't new users for long.This makes a lot more sense:
On Thursday 05 July 2012 19:31:17 Garrett Cooper wrote
>
> Here's a *random* thought to consider. This seems like a fe
On Thursday 05 July 2012 11:03:32 Doug Barton wrote:
> On 07/05/2012 01:28, Peter Jeremy wrote:
> > On 2012-Jul-05 09:22:25 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
> >
> > wrote:
> >> As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate,
> >> that's
On Thursday 05 July 2012 08:10:17 Warner Losh wrote:
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
> >
> > First, I agree that being able to turn it off should be possible. But I
> > can't help being curious ... why would you *not* want a feature that
> > tells you what to install if you type a
On Saturday 09 June 2012 23:29:02 Kevin Oberman wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> >
> > I agree that it's not the best configuration in the world, as it
> > would only work 100% if a machine had proper DNS records or a
> > definitive hosts file.
> > There are
On Friday 08 June 2012 09:43:25 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
> On 08.06.2012 11:20, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> > On Thursday 07 June 2012 17:00:04 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
> >> Hello list!
> >>
> >> Since the early days ifconfig(8) has the following funct
On Thursday 07 June 2012 17:00:04 Alexander V. Chernikov wrote:
> Hello list!
>
> Since the early days ifconfig(8) has the following functionality:
[hostname in place of literal address]
> Moreover, ifconfig em0 some_valid_fqdn/MASK silently ignores it, so you
> can't set valid CIDR address using
On Wednesday 25 April 2012 20:56:22 Greg Larkin wrote:
> On 4/25/12 2:09 PM, rank1see...@gmail.com wrote:
> > # grep sendmail /etc/rc.conf sendmail_enable="NONE" # service -e |
> > grep sendmail /etc/rc.d/sendmail # ps -U root | grep sendmail
>
> /etc/rc.d/sendmail explicitly sets some variables to
On Sunday 31 October 2010 22:44:25 Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :> and the output produced by dump is not live-accessible whereas a
> :> snapshot / live filesystem copy is. That makes the dump fairly
> :> worthless for anything other than catastrophic recovery.
> :
> :Ever heard of "restore -i"?
>
>
On Friday 26 February 2010 12:03:42 Garrett Cooper wrote:
> FreeBSD is a great system; if there are ways that I can possibly make
> it better by adding smart defaults
Be careful about that value judgement. There are certainly ways you can change
it. Not everyone might feel the change is for the b
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 22:51:43 Rick C. Petty wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:09:09PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote:
> > I usually want to see ps(1) output in easily-read columns. Without width
> > limits, this can't be guaranteed.
> >
> > I would strongly o
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 15:44:47 Ed Schouten wrote:
> * Brian Somers wrote:
> > I recently closed bin/137647 and had second thoughts after Ivan (the
> > originator) challenged my reason for closing it.
> >
> > The suggestion is that ps's -w switch is a strange artifact that can
> > be safely dep
On Thursday 23 July 2009 20:28:52 Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> per...@pluto.rain.com writes:
[snip description of shell opening a script, finding a #! line and passing a
file descriptor for the opened script to the intended interpreter
in /dev/fd/, to avoid a race condition where the shell opens the
On Thursday 23 July 2009 07:00:58 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> DarkSoul wrote:
> > Anthony Pankov wrote:
> > > SGID/SUID bits don't work with shell scripts, do they?
> >
> > They don't.
[snip description of race condition]
> In principle, it should be possible to fix this exposure by
> improvi
On Thursday 21 May 2009 23:37:20 Nate Eldredge wrote:
> Of course all these problems are solved, under any policy, by having more
> memory or swap. But overcommit allows you to do more with less.
Or to put it another way, 90% of the problems that could be solved by having
more memory can also be
On Thursday 11 December 2008 14:42:46 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:52:49 +0200, Jonathan McKeown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >> cdboot runs long after the prompt for BIOS setup. I don't think we
> >> can modify cdboot to add serial conso
On Thursday 11 December 2008 10:45:41 Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:37:26 +0200, Jonathan McKeown
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > While you're enhancing cdboot anyway, can I ask how complicated it
> > would be to make cdboot serial-console capable? (
While you're enhancing cdboot anyway, can I ask how complicated it would be to
make cdboot serial-console capable? (I'm not a C programmer, I'm a sysadmin -
but I'd be prepared to try and look at this myself if no-one else is
interested).
As it stands, the only way I've found to do a serial-con
On Friday 05 September 2008 16:39, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> Equally as frustrating, mutt's backtick support will only honour the
> first line of input. If a backticked command returns multiple lines,
> only the first is read; the rest are ignored. This makes using BSD find
> annoying, since find
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 10:40:53 Vincent Hoffman wrote:
> Jonathan McKeown wrote:
>
> >
> > People keep talking about forcestart.
> >
> > Unless I'm misunderstanding things horribly, forcestart does exactly that
> > - forces the service to sta
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 17:51:32 Mike Meyer wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:10:22 +0200 "Adrian Penisoara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > Umm, I have used Gentoo and I do not remember having to use
> > "forcestart" at the command line...
>
> Ok, given that you 1) want to have both " this
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 14:03:30 Adrian Penisoara wrote:
> While we're at it, I wish we could leverage the posibility for the
> admin to manually start the service at the CLI, no matter whether the
> service has been enabled or not -- that is the "_enable" keyword
> should have effect only in th
I've picked out one or two of your complaints only.
On Thursday 03 July 2008 00:16, Curtis Penner wrote:
> Let us take this further.
>
> Let's compare BSD to the Linux install solutions. Well, lets not, Linux
> is so far ahead of BSD. Linux understands the user.
Really? I tried installing Kubun
On Monday 12 May 2008 10:38, Anthony Pankov wrote:
> Please, can anybody explain what is the problem with BDB (1.86).
>
> Is there known caveats of using BDB? Is there some rules which
> guarantee from curruption or it is fully undesirable to use BDB under
> high load?
>
> It is important for me be
On Tuesday 26 February 2008 01:06, Alex Zbyslaw wrote:
> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> >On 2008-02-23 16:48, "M. Warner Losh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>This knee-jerk reaction against gnu find functionality baffles me.
> >>The changes are trivial and make FreeBSD more compatible. It is such
> >>
On Sunday 24 February 2008 01:48, M. Warner Losh wrote:
> The change absolutely makes sense, and so far none of the arguments
> against it are really worth the time to respond to. I'm using
> packages not in the ports system. Frankly, the more gratuitous
> differences with the gnu tools we have,
[Sorry to break threading - I deleted the thread before deciding to respond. I
can see both sides of this discussion, but I did want to add some hopefully
thought-provoking comments late on a Saturday night].
[M Warner Losh]
> From: Mike Meyer
> Subject: Re: find -lname and -ilname implemented
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 22:27, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> On Feb 19, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Oliver Fromme wrote:
> > It will not replace the current text menu ("beastie.4th"),
> > so you can still use it on your Hercules monochrome or CGA
> > machine or with serial console, of course.
This seems to be almost a FAQ judging by the number of open/suspended PRs over
several years, and the enquiry on this list back in March 2007 - but I
haven't been able to find an answer yet.
Looking at /usr/src/usr.bin/passwd/passwd.c, it seems that passwd(1) was
rewritten four years ago to use
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