Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I prefer "less advanced" FreeBSD Ridiculing other projects is not a great way to show superiority. +1 Leave mudslinging to marketing and politicians :).. -Garrett as for now you and few other people work hard to DE-promote FreeBSD from those few people that are able to make use of it but

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
> > Another way to promote FreeBSD - show Solaris first. Yesterday just to look downloaded from oracle. Incredibly slow, no idea what's going on not only while installing but when trying to do anything and understand /etc/ hierarchy. incredible slow mess - this is "the most advanced unix" from O

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Mac OSD _is_ a UNIX: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/4376 So, why not use a UNIX on the Desktop? :) as well as my VoIP phone gateway software. as well as Mac software it is unix based but NOT meant for it's user to interact with unix commands or even know it is. Just opposite to FreeBSD/amd64.

Re: NFS - slow

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
the server is required to do that. (ie. Make sure the data is stored on stable storage, so it can't be lost if the server crashes/reboots.) Expensive NFS servers can use non-volatile RAM to speed this up, but a generic FreeBSD box can't do that. Some clients (I believe ESXi is one of these) reque

Re: problems with mmap() and disk caching

2012-04-29 Thread Alan Cox
On 04/11/2012 01:07, Andrey Zonov wrote: On 10.04.2012 20:19, Alan Cox wrote: On 04/09/2012 10:26, John Baldwin wrote: On Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:54:31 am Alan Cox wrote: On 04/04/2012 02:17, Konstantin Belousov wrote: On Tue, Apr 03, 2012 at 11:02:53PM +0400, Andrey Zonov wrote: Hi, I

Re: NFS - slow

2012-04-29 Thread Rick Macklem
Wojciech Puchar wrote: > is there any way to speed up NFS server? > > from what i noticed: > > - reads works fast and good, like accessed locally, readahead up to > maxbsize works fine on large files etc. > > - write works terribly. it performs sync on every write IMHO, > setting vfs.nfsrv.async

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Chris Rees wrote: > On 29 Apr 2012 16:33, "Wojciech Puchar" > wrote: >>> >>> >>> FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike > very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about >>> what is going on ) and I never use it ( in sp

Re: Where do the elf32_obj_loadfile, elf32_loadfile, elf64_obj_loadfile and elf64_loadfile symbols live?

2012-04-29 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:25:22 -0400 Richard Yao wrote: > Dear Everyone, > > I tried compiling zfsloader from the FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE tree on > Gentoo Linux, but I encountered issues due to missing symbols: > > /var/tmp/portage/sys-boot/gptzfsloader-9.0/work/sys/boot/i386/zfsloader/../libi386/lib

Where do the elf32_obj_loadfile, elf32_loadfile, elf64_obj_loadfile and elf64_loadfile symbols live?

2012-04-29 Thread Richard Yao
Dear Everyone, I tried compiling zfsloader from the FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE tree on Gentoo Linux, but I encountered issues due to missing symbols: /var/tmp/portage/sys-boot/gptzfsloader-9.0/work/sys/boot/i386/zfsloader/../libi386/libi386.a(elf32_freebsd.o):(.data+0x0): undefined reference to `elf32_o

Re: [review request] zfsboot/zfsloader: support accessing filesystems within a pool

2012-04-29 Thread Marius Strobl
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:06:08PM +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 23/04/2012 00:21 Marius Strobl said the following: > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 06:37:54PM +0300, Andriy Gapon wrote: > [snip] > >> I am particularly interested in reviews of my attempt to make ZFS boot > >> support > >> arch-indepe

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Chris Rees
On 29 Apr 2012 16:33, "Wojciech Puchar" wrote: >> >> >> FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about >> what is going on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) . > > > Another w

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
there are lots of services that could benefit from FreeBSD who are not very aware of it. They may have heard the name, and even know that it is an OS, but have heard it passed off as a non-entity in the field and do not know better than that. Don't really understand you. Basically everything t

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD installation and boot style are very nice . Personally I dislike very much Ubuntu-like installs ( nothing is displayed about what is going on ) and I never use it ( in spite of I am installing each release of it ) . Another way to promote FreeBSD - show Solaris first. Yesterday just t

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Wojciech Puchar
There is such a very nice distribution : http://ghostbsd.org/ Also, freesbie.org That's great - there are "distributions" with ready to use "desktop" environments etc. etc. while the main one is always the same. Everyone gets what he/she needs.

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Lars Engels
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 07:39:25AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > > > My opinion is that most important obstacle in front of FreeBSD is its > > installation structure : > > > > > > It is NOT possible to install and use a FreeBSD distribution directly as it > > is . > > > > In Linux distrib

Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD?

2012-04-29 Thread Lars Engels
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 09:08:18PM -0400, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:24 PM, wrote: > > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:06 PM, wrote: > > > > I'm wondering if spinning up a "live DVD" desktop version, using > > > > GENERIC, and/or Gno