Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Linimon
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:52:44PM +, Mark Blackman wrote: > I suspect poor old RE is putting too much work into BETAs and RCs for > point releases. The counter-argument is that we have a lot more leeway to make mistakes on a .0 release. We're not going to be cut any slack at all for shippin

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Rick Macklem
Mark Blackman wrote: > On 26 Jan 2012, at 14:37, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:33:40 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 19 January 2012 09:47, Mark Saad wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> What could I do to help make 7.5-RELEASE a reality ? > >>> > >> > >> Put your hand up and volun

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Linimon
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:23:43PM +, Mark Blackman wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html > > "New releases of FreeBSD are released from the -STABLE branch at > approximately four month intervals." That was our intention at one point. Obviously

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Blackman
On 26 Jan 2012, at 22:49, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:23:43PM +, Mark Blackman wrote: >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/releng/release-proc.html >> >> "New releases of FreeBSD are released from the -STABLE branch at >> approximately four month interva

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Blackman
On 26 Jan 2012, at 18:22, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:49:22 am Mark Blackman wrote: >> a) who is "the project" in this case >> and >> b) what does it take for a release to be a release? > > I'll answer the two together. The project is the entity that "owns" > freebsd.

Re: Speeding up the loader(8).

2012-01-26 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Artem Belevich wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >>> > 3. The code in bcache.c doesn't really implement an LRU - it implements >>> >   'least recently added' algorithm, i.e. a kind of queue.  Not that >>> >   it matters much, since it

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:49:22 am Mark Blackman wrote: > > On 26 Jan 2012, at 14:37, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:33:40 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > >> On 19 January 2012 09:47, Mark Saad wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> What could I do to help make 7.5-RELEASE a reali

Re: Speeding up the loader(8).

2012-01-26 Thread Artem Belevich
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM, John Baldwin wrote: >> > 3. The code in bcache.c doesn't really implement an LRU - it implements >> >   'least recently added' algorithm, i.e. a kind of queue.  Not that >> >   it matters much, since it flushes the elements two seconds after >> >   caching them any

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Mark Blackman
On 26 Jan 2012, at 14:37, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:33:40 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: >> On 19 January 2012 09:47, Mark Saad wrote: >>> >>> >>> What could I do to help make 7.5-RELEASE a reality ? >>> >> >> Put your hand up and volunteer to run the 7.5-RELEASE release

Re: Speeding up the loader(8).

2012-01-26 Thread John Baldwin
On Tuesday, January 24, 2012 1:22:57 pm Artem Belevich wrote: > 2012/1/23 Edward Tomasz Napierała : > > Some time ago I've spent some time on trying to speed up loading > > modules by the loader(8). Result can be found at: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~trasz/fast-loader-3.diff > > > > This pa

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread John Baldwin
On Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:33:40 pm Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 19 January 2012 09:47, Mark Saad wrote: > > > I just want to chime in here, what is the deal with killing off a > > potential 7.5-RELEASE ? Having a few 7.3-RELEASE and 7.4-RELEASE > > servers I would like to see a 7.5-RELEASE th

Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle

2012-01-26 Thread Da Rock
On 01/20/12 09:13, John Kozubik wrote: I normally hate to dredge up old threads, but this is like getting halfway through a story and not finding out the ending... :) What is the answer? Is there a solution to this? I have a string of questions on this: 1. Incidentally, what exactly does co