Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Mike Nowlin
> Again, you miss the point. Spending dollars advertising is arguably a more > valuable contribution than altering a few line of code or submitting a > driver for some obscure card. Key word here: "arguably", meaning "can be argued indefinitely", and loosely translates to "drop this argument -

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Taavi Talvik writes: : On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: : : > If your company's infrastrucutre changes are made in a way that if : > the project adopted them it would help binary support, I'm sure that would : > be accepted. : > : > ie. if we just made fun

Re: A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Wes Peters
Dan Langille wrote: > > On 28 Dec 2000, at 9:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple > > task to do for FreeBSD. > > How do we know which are the "good and simple" ones? Rely on an expert to tell you they are so. ;^) --

Re: Thread DIES [Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? ]

2000-12-28 Thread opentrax
On 28 Dec, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:04:36PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Bill Fumerola, who states that security policy >> information is un-available. However, I might >> refer his comment to the Security Officer instead, >> if Bill feels th

Re: Thread DIES [Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? ]

2000-12-28 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 04:04:36PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bill Fumerola, who states that security policy > information is un-available. However, I might > refer his comment to the Security Officer instead, > if Bill feels this appropriate. for the public record

Re: ONTOPIC - FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT - Not a bunch of licence Jihad crap

2000-12-28 Thread Jeremiah Gowdy
> Uuuuh, I'm gonna have to agree with Murray that there is a complete > dearth of free software for Windows. Go search shareware.com, or > Tucows, or any of the other Windows-centric software sites, and just > TRY to find most of the same tools or applications you take for > granted on your Unix

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Taavi Talvik
On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > If your company's infrastrucutre changes are made in a way that if > the project adopted them it would help binary support, I'm sure that would > be accepted. > > ie. if we just made function foo() more generic and then you could > simply provide a KLD

Re: -STABLE+vinum+smp+softupdates+CVSup(local CVS repo)==corruption?

2000-12-28 Thread Greg Lehey
On Thursday, 28 December 2000 at 14:03:31 +, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 05:30:09PM -0500, David E. Cross wrote: >> I have run across a problem since updating to -STABLE a week or so ago... >> my CVS vinum partition would go corrupt after a few updates. I have been >> ru

Re: Silent FreeBSD

2000-12-28 Thread David Preece
At 10:12 28/12/00 -0700, you wrote: >Lastly, search for quiet fans from a large supplier. http://www.quietpc.com/ I haven't bought any stuff from them, yet, so I can't vouch other than for their existence. Dave :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-ha

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 07:33:03PM +0100, mouss wrote: > I work for a commercial company, and I did what I could to convince > people that *BSD is the way, and we're happily using FreeBSD. > now, we modiy the kernel sources, and this is a problem since this changes > the way people build the kern

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
> >Afaik, anybody can spend any amount of advertising dollars he > >wants. > > Again, you miss the point. Spending dollars advertising is arguably a more > valuable contribution than altering a few line of code or submitting a > driver for some obscure card. Well, I don't think so. Good qualit

Re: mtrr and stepping=2 K7's

2000-12-28 Thread joeo
By "early" I meant the cpu and mainboard were bought as soon as K7's showed up in the OEM channel. I'm beginning to suspect it my be a mainboard problem, though I'm not sure how that would tie in with mtrr. Have to see if I can scrounge up a different motherboard, or see if there is a bios upgra

Re: ONTOPIC - FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT - Not a bunch of licence Jihad crap

2000-12-28 Thread mouss
At 17:07 28/12/00 -0200, Rik van Riel wrote: >On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > > If you slant your judgement so far against the other products, > > it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about > > (no offense). You need to point out the pros and cons of ALL > > t

Re: mtrr and stepping=2 K7's

2000-12-28 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:54:52AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Are there any known issues with MTRR on early K7's? What do you mean with 'early'? CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (756.41-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x621 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=

Re: AMD System Management driver and Newbus

2000-12-28 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Nicolas Souchu writes: > Gasp! This is part of my fault. I shouldn't have left this old style > driver in the tree :( You should have contacted me, I would have adviced > you. > > Takanori is right, you should look at intpm to get info about how > to cleanly newbusify your driver. This is

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Re: Collecting waiting statistics (simulation question)

2000-12-28 Thread Drew Eckhardt
At 09:55 27/11/19 -0700, Jeff Rhyason wrote: >Is there a way that I can log a large amount of statistics >regarding kernel memory allocator activity and make that >accessible to a user process? (Something like Solaris' >crash(1m) and kmalog) The quick solution is to config -g your kernel, and ex

Re: ONTOPIC - FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT - Not a bunch oflicence Jihad crap

2000-12-28 Thread Rik van Riel
On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > If you slant your judgement so far against the other products, > it makes you sound like you don't know what you're talking about > (no offense). You need to point out the pros and cons of ALL > three systems. Not just the pros of FreeBSD and the con

Re: ONTOPIC - FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT - Not a bunch oflicence Jihad crap

2000-12-28 Thread Chris Dillon
On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > The amount of free Windows software is much less than what is > > available for Unix. > > I almost choked to death on my Submarina Sandwich when I read > this. I think you need to take a step back and think a bit on > this one. Do you really think

Editors/Reviewers? (was Re: Collecting waiting statistics (simulation question))

2000-12-28 Thread Jeff Rhyason
> I hope you're patient to wait until 2019 to get an answer. > or you'll probably correct your clock My apologies to everybody on the list who had this screwing up their mailboxes. ;) Incidentally, to anyone who was following this thread in August, my report is finished and I will be putting

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread mouss
just wanna jump in while it's hot... I work for a commercial company, and I did what I could to convince people that *BSD is the way, and we're happily using FreeBSD. now, we modiy the kernel sources, and this is a problem since this changes the way people build the kernel. what we did is provide

Re: Silent FreeBSD

2000-12-28 Thread Warner Losh
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wes Peters writes: : We have several NIC's around here (the New Internet Computer, see : http://www.thinknic.com/ for details) and will be adding a couple of these : so we can boot FreeBSD or NetBSD on them in the next little while. A NIC : running FreeBSD on a sil

Re: Thinkpad Partition Problem Solved?

2000-12-28 Thread Bruce A. Mah
If memory serves me right, Joshua Goodall wrote: > I came up with a very similar solution independently (although I chose a > "reserved" partition number). You may also wish to (I did) patch boot0 for > the cosmetic fix. Thanks. I was thinking about a patch for boot0, but decided I had to fig

Re: Silent FreeBSD

2000-12-28 Thread Wes Peters
Renaud Waldura wrote: > > I've got that FreeBSD gateway in a corner at my house, it works fine & dandy > but the constant noise (whirring fans, hard drives) gets on my nerves. > > What solutions have people explored to quiet down a computer system? (actual > experience will be preferred over wil

Re: Collecting waiting statistics (simulation question)

2000-12-28 Thread mouss
I hope you're patient to wait until 2019 to get an answer. or you'll probably correct your clock At 09:55 27/11/19 -0700, Jeff Rhyason wrote: >Can anybody help me with a project I am working on? I am trying >to simulate different memory allocation policies for a discrete >event simulation c

RE: FreeBSD vs. Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread mouss
At 12:44 26/12/00 +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote: > > I ran into people at NASA who use Python because (beside being a good > > language) it isn't GPL. > >Pure paranoia. You don't have to share the code that is written IN >Python. Only modifications TO python (if it were GPL) what if you read b

Re: -STABLE+vinum+smp+softupdates+CVSup(local CVS repo)==corruption?

2000-12-28 Thread David E. Cross
No, I am just using vinum stripes. The problem seems to have fixed itself when I got a ufs_readwrite.c update from Matt after it was committed. This is an interesting problem, since I am not entirely sure what fixed it, if it is really fixed, etc... Sigh, oh well. -- David Cross

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Seebach
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dennis writes: >Again, you miss the point. Spending dollars advertising is arguably a more >valuable contribution than altering a few line of code or submitting a >driver for some obscure card. It depends a lot on the goals of the project. FreeBSD has pretty goo

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Dennis
> > >How many > > advertising dollars has Mr Kamp spent promoting the use of FreeBSD? > >Afaik, anybody can spend any amount of advertising dollars he >wants. Again, you miss the point. Spending dollars advertising is arguably a more valuable contribution than altering a few line of code or sub

Re: Boot process robustness

2000-12-28 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Dec 28), Peter Pentchev said: > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:31:55PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Walter W. Hop" >writes: > > > 2. Automatic file system checks > > > In case of a powercycle or crash, it could be that a filesystem > > > ne

Re: Boot process robustness

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 03:31:55PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Walter W. Ho > p" writes: [snip] > > >2. Automatic file system checks > > In case of a powercycle or crash, it could be that a filesystem needs > > fixing. Now I don't know much about fs inte

Re: Boot process robustness

2000-12-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Walter W. Ho p" writes: >Hi all, > >I was wondering how to increase the robustness of the booting process, >so that a box would be able to keep itself on its feet without >intervention of the console. I think this would be of great value to the >many people who adm

Boot process robustness

2000-12-28 Thread Walter W. Hop
Hi all, I was wondering how to increase the robustness of the booting process, so that a box would be able to keep itself on its feet without intervention of the console. I think this would be of great value to the many people who administer colocated boxes. I'm not much of a coder so all I can

Re: -STABLE+vinum+smp+softupdates+CVSup(local CVS repo)==corruption?

2000-12-28 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 05:30:09PM -0500, David E. Cross wrote: > I have run across a problem since updating to -STABLE a week or so ago... > my CVS vinum partition would go corrupt after a few updates. I have been > running with no softupdates on my system for a day now and no problems. > Has an

Re: A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:03:15AM +0200, Jacques Marneweck wrote: > On Thu Dec 28 21:58:12 2000 Dan Langille wrote: > > On 28 Dec 2000, at 9:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > > > which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple > > > task to do for FreeBSD. > > > > How do we

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Peter Pentchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:44:34PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Volker Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > What are you guys smoking? > > > *shrug* Can you spell "

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:44:34PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Volker Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > What are you guys smoking? > > *shrug* Can you spell "event-driven"? There are ways to do things much > > m

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
Volker Stolz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > What are you guys smoking? > *shrug* Can you spell "event-driven"? There are ways to do things much > more elegantly today (see all the references to kevent()). I choose simple and

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > What are you guys smoking? Use cron to run a spool scanning job every > minute or so, and use a lock file to make sure one doesn't start until > the previous one is done. Note that reliable locking is non-trivial in > Perl; a q

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Volker Stolz
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 01:35:08PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > What are you guys smoking? *shrug* Can you spell "event-driven"? There are ways to do things much more elegantly today (see all the references to kevent()). -- \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc}! Volker Stolz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Dag-Erling Smorgrav
What are you guys smoking? Use cron to run a spool scanning job every minute or so, and use a lock file to make sure one doesn't start until the previous one is done. Note that reliable locking is non-trivial in Perl; a quick workaround is to use a lock directory instead (mkdir() will fail if the

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 02:35:19AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > This sort of thing is why we added poll(2) and later kqueue(2) support > for getting notifications on directory changes.. eg: you can get an event > to tell you that a new file "appeared" in your directory. See how the l0pht-watch po

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:36:50PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > On 28 Dec 2000, at 11:29, Volker Stolz wrote: > > > Am 28. Dec 2000 um 10:33 MET schrieb Dan Langille: > > > What about a daemon signalling a waiting perl script? > > > Is it an issue if the daemon signals the perl script when it's a

Re: mtrr and stepping=2 K7's

2000-12-28 Thread Mike Smith
> > Are there any known issues with MTRR on early K7's? I'm not aware of any, no. A cursory read of the current Linux MTRR code doesn't suggest that they treat them specially either. > Using XFree86 4.0.x > on an early 550 Mhz K7 (equipped with 256Megs of sdram) causes this > machine to lock

Re: int foowrite( dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int flag) { ... } documentation ??

2000-12-28 Thread Mike Smith
> We are implementing our OS modem on FreeBSD, > > We use this definition in our driver : > static d_write_t tswrite; > > We implemented this function: > static int tswrite( dev_t dev, struct uio *uio, int flag) { ... } > to receive characters from the tty. This doesn't actually receive charac

Re: FreeBSD vs Linux, Solaris, and NT

2000-12-28 Thread Marco van de Voort
> Mr Kamps comments are also "Well documented". I would think that EVERYONE > on this list would be offended by his insinuation that anyone that uses > FreeBSD and doesnt contribute source to FreeBSD is stealing. Where is that > outcry on that ridiculous idea? If you are offended by people usin

Re: Silent FreeBSD

2000-12-28 Thread Alexander Langer
Thus spake Renaud Waldura ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > I've got that FreeBSD gateway in a corner at my house, it works fine & dandy > but the constant noise (whirring fans, hard drives) gets on my nerves. > What solutions have people explored to quiet down a computer system? (actual > experience will b

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Dan Langille
On 28 Dec 2000, at 11:29, Volker Stolz wrote: > Am 28. Dec 2000 um 10:33 MET schrieb Dan Langille: > > What about a daemon signalling a waiting perl script? > > Is it an issue if the daemon signals the perl script when it's already > > processing? Could a signal be missed? > > How about using a

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Wemm
Volker Stolz wrote: > Am 28. Dec 2000 um 10:33 MET schrieb Dan Langille: > > What about a daemon signalling a waiting perl script? > > Is it an issue if the daemon signals the perl script when it's already > > processing? Could a signal be missed? > > How about using a FIFO (maybe in /tmp) and

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Volker Stolz
Am 28. Dec 2000 um 10:33 MET schrieb Dan Langille: > What about a daemon signalling a waiting perl script? > Is it an issue if the daemon signals the perl script when it's already > processing? Could a signal be missed? How about using a FIFO (maybe in /tmp) and let the daemon printf,echo,cat,.

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Dan Langille
On 28 Dec 2000, at 10:50, Peter Pentchev wrote: > Hmm. On second thoughts, I wonder if the sleep/opendir method might > not work better under temporarily high load - even better than the > cron-based one. If a bunch of mails arrive at the same time.. hmm > I should play around with kevent to se

Re: A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Dan Langille" writes: >On 28 Dec 2000, at 9:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple >> task to do for FreeBSD. > >How do we know which are the "good and simple" ones? How would I know ? :-) The fsck an

Re: waiting for new files in a directory

2000-12-28 Thread Peter Pentchev
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 12:23:12PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > On 27 Dec 2000, at 19:56, Peter Pentchev wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 09:16:34AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > * Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001226 23:50] wrote: > > > > > > > > My idea is to have a daemon, or s

Re: A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Jacques Marneweck
On Thu Dec 28 21:58:12 2000 Dan Langille wrote: > On 28 Dec 2000, at 9:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple > > task to do for FreeBSD. > > How do we know which are the "good and simple" ones? > I could always do the CVSROOT/ stuf

Re: A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Dan Langille
On 28 Dec 2000, at 9:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple > task to do for FreeBSD. How do we know which are the "good and simple" ones? -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshport

A couple of Junior Hacker tasks...

2000-12-28 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I have added a couple of tasks over at http://phantom.cris.net/freebsd/projects/projects.php which are good candidates for people looking for a good and simple task to do for FreeBSD. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | TCP/IP since RFC 9

RE: Thread DIES [Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? ]

2000-12-28 Thread Oliver Fehr
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 1:05 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Thread DIES [Re: ssh - are you nuts?!? ] > > > > > On 26 Dec, Mike Smith wr

Re: AMD System Management driver and Newbus

2000-12-28 Thread Nicolas Souchu
Gasp! This is part of my fault. I shouldn't have left this old style driver in the tree :( You should have contacted me, I would have adviced you. Takanori is right, you should look at intpm to get info about how to cleanly newbusify your driver. This is what I'm currently doing for alpm ;) By t