Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-10 Thread Juergen Lock
On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 04:42:28PM -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > I think the Luvalley architecture is fascinating but one of the larger > problems that has always been faced by the Open Source Community has > been lack of device driver support for all of the many peripherals and > motherboar

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-10 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:31 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > On 1/10/2011 12:15 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt > > wrote: >> >>Someone just gave you bad data, Adam. >> >> >> No that is incorrect. I got my data from

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-10 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 1/10/2011 12:15 AM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt mailto:t...@mittelstaedt.us>> wrote: Someone just gave you bad data, Adam. No that is incorrect. I got my data from MS when I tried to check it out. The second you say "got my data from MS" y

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-10 Thread Adam Vande More
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Someone just gave you bad data, Adam. No that is incorrect. I got my data from MS when I tried to check it out. Our confusion I think is because we are talking about different products. I wasn't aware of the stand-alone free version of

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 1/9/2011 9:27 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt mailto:t...@mittelstaedt.us>> wrote: Unless Microsoft makes Hyper-V a cost item, this won't happen. The situation is like the Firefox/Internet Explorer Chinese finger trap. Maybe I'm not unde

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Bernhard Fröhlich
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt > wrote: > So the point of my story is that I think a modern KVM is just as fast and > featureful as Xen since they both have pci-pass-through and you should > expect the same(roughly) performance on your guests

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Unless Microsoft makes Hyper-V a cost item, this won't happen. The > situation is like the Firefox/Internet Explorer Chinese finger trap. > Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean, but hyper-V is already a cost item. If you want to ru

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 1/9/2011 6:51 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt mailto:t...@mittelstaedt.us>> wrote: The practical reality of it is I can go out and buy a brand new, super-fast computer and run FreeBSD 8 on it then VirtualBox on that, then my guest OS's u

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > The practical reality of it is I can go out and buy a brand new, super-fast > computer and run FreeBSD 8 on it then VirtualBox on that, > then my guest OS's under VirtualBox - and get the same performance > as a bare-metal hypervisor like E

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I think the Luvalley architecture is fascinating but one of the larger problems that has always been faced by the Open Source Community has been lack of device driver support for all of the many peripherals and motherboards and bits of hardware out there. This is the problem with "bare metal"

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Xiaodong Yi
Yes, license is a big problem. And I'm sorry to let you and Brandon know that Luvalley is currently using KVM's code. And I think it's hard and unnecessary to write the virtualization code from scratch. Do you think so? Best regards, Xiaodong 2011/1/9 Juergen Lock : > On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 12:

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-09 Thread Juergen Lock
On Sun, Jan 09, 2011 at 12:33:59AM -0600, Brandon Gooch wrote: > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I confirm that I no longer have time for Luvalley. However, I will be > > extreemly happy if anybody is willing to take over from me. > > Especially, I quite agree t

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-08 Thread Brandon Gooch
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > Hi, > > I confirm that I no longer have time for Luvalley. However, I will be > extreemly happy if anybody is willing to take over from me. > Especially, I quite agree to customize Luvalley for FreeBSD, through > it supports all kinds of Dom0 O

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-08 Thread Xiaodong Yi
Hi, I confirm that I no longer have time for Luvalley. However, I will be extreemly happy if anybody is willing to take over from me. Especially, I quite agree to customize Luvalley for FreeBSD, through it supports all kinds of Dom0 OSes. Howerver, I hope that the LIGHT architecture of Luvalley co

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-07 Thread Juergen Lock
On Fri, Jan 07, 2011 at 02:02:57PM -0600, Brandon Gooch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Juergen Lock wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:00:01PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > >> > >> > I am very glad that Juergen introduced Luv

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-07 Thread Brandon Gooch
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Juergen Lock wrote: > On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:00:01PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: >> >> > I am very glad that Juergen introduced Luvalley to the FreeBSD >> > society. We hope you like the idea of it. And w

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-07 Thread Juergen Lock
On Mon, Jan 03, 2011 at 08:00:01PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > > > I am very glad that Juergen introduced Luvalley to the FreeBSD > > society. We hope you like the idea of it. And we will be much more > > pleased for the feedbacks. Luvally

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2011-01-03 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > I am very glad that Juergen introduced Luvalley to the FreeBSD > society. We hope you like the idea of it. And we will be much more > pleased for the feedbacks. Luvally now is only experimental and may be > not stable or low performance. But I

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2010-04-18 Thread Brandon Gooch
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Xiaodong Yi wrote: > Hi, dear all, > > First, I would like to thank Juergen for his long-time hard work on > porting and testing Luvalley/Qemu stuff to let it run with FreeBSD. > > As said by Juergen, Luvalley is designed to enable arbitrary operating > system to u

Re: Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2010-04-18 Thread Xiaodong Yi
Hi, dear all, First, I would like to thank Juergen for his long-time hard work on porting and testing Luvalley/Qemu stuff to let it run with FreeBSD. As said by Juergen, Luvalley is designed to enable arbitrary operating system to utilize the hardware virtualization extensions to host virtual mac

Testing Luvalley with FreeBSD as dom0

2010-04-18 Thread Juergen Lock
Hi! I had been watching the Luvalley project for a while, http://sourceforge.net/projects/luvalley/files/ http://sunet.dl.sourceforge.net/project/luvalley/luvalley/luvalley-7/README http://www.mail-archive.com/k...@vger.kernel.org/msg11896.html and a few weeks ago I was