Re: CLANG and -fstack-protector

2013-02-10 Thread Mark Linimon
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 11:52:42PM +0100, Jeremie Le Hen wrote: > You can do this, it will work for most of the ports but some ports do > not honor CFLAGS. Ports that don't honor CFLAGS are broken ports. Having said that, the last time I ran a script that looked for them (and other things like CX

Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic. Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in -curre

Re: some usb troubles

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Saturday 09 February 2013 19:01:25 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > Hi all, > > trying to run macbookpro10,1 on HEAD: > > 1) usb3.0 does not work at 9.1 and HEAD (r246587) > 2) Between stable/9 and HEAD (r246587) we are lost uhid devices > (external keyboard and mouse) and umass. dmesg on the same hw ca

Re: some usb troubles

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:03:36 Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Saturday 09 February 2013 19:01:25 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > trying to run macbookpro10,1 on HEAD: > > > > 1) usb3.0 does not work at 9.1 and HEAD (r246587) > > 2) Between stable/9 and HEAD (r246587) we are lost uh

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:06:44 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10%

Re: Cross-architecture package installs

2013-02-10 Thread Brooks Davis
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 06:20:22AM -0700, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 22:34 -0800, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > I'm working on tools to build ARM system images. > > Usually, these tools run on x86, which creates a problem > > for packages. > > > > I would like to install packages onto the

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <201302101211.15818.hsela...@c2i.net>, Hans Petter Selasky writes: >As long as you leave room for USB floppy disks working. As far as I know, they are just umass devices, right ? They share no actual code with fdc.c ? -- Poul-He

Re: some usb troubles

2013-02-10 Thread Konstantin Belousov
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Saturday 09 February 2013 19:01:25 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > trying to run macbookpro10,1 on HEAD: > > > > 1) usb3.0 does not work at 9.1 and HEAD (r246587) > > 2) Between stable/9 and HEAD (r246587) we are l

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10/02/2013, at 21:36, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <9edf355d-07f7-4315-b00e-b181c674d...@gsoft.com.au>, "Daniel O'Conno r" writes: >I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install process. > >I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small f

Re: some usb troubles

2013-02-10 Thread Chagin Dmitry
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:10:14PM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:03:36 Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > On Saturday 09 February 2013 19:01:25 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > trying to run macbookpro10,1 on HEAD: > > > > > > 1) usb3.0 does not work

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On 10/02/2013, at 22:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install process. >> >> I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small file. > > On 7.x I got consistent panics about bounce-buffers. Hmm strange, I am not s

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Fbsd8
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic. Unless somebody fixes the fd

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:12:52 Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > In message <201302101211.15818.hsela...@c2i.net>, Hans Petter Selasky writes: > >As long as you leave room for USB floppy disks working. > > As far as I know, they are just

Re: some usb troubles

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
On Sunday 10 February 2013 12:20:44 Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:03:36PM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > > On Saturday 09 February 2013 19:01:25 Chagin Dmitry wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > trying to run macbookpro10,1 on HEAD: > > > > > > 1) usb3.0 does not work

RE: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Teske, Devin
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > I did it last week on 9.0-R. Worked great. (I have more than plans to continue supporting floppies -- I've actually written code in

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <5117927c.8090...@a1poweruser.com>, Fbsd8 writes: >Floppy drive support was removed from Freebsd around release 7.0 I >think. Read the release-notes for 6.0, 7.0 and 8.0 to determine when it >happened. I think you are confusing "i

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% r

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message , "C. P. Ghost" writes: >> Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in -current, I intend >> to dust of my axe and cut it from the tree later this spring. > >Any chance to get a user-mode fdc(4) replacement then? Maybe >in ports

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> Unless somebody fixes the fdc driver to work in -current, I intend >>> to dust of my axe and cut it from the tree later this spring. >> >>Any chance to get a user-mode fdc(4) replacement then? Maybe >>in ports? > > Uhm, just how would t

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Ottevanger
On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 10/02/2013, at 22:14, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> I've used it in 7.x to read install.cfg for a semi automated install >>> process. >>> >>> I didn't see any panics, but then again install.cfg is a pretty small file. >> >> On 7.x I got consistent

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Boris Samorodov
10.02.2013 04:07, Steve Kargl пишет: As for me I use CURRENT at my JOB for many years now. I used to i386 but switched to amd64 at the end of 2012. The system (both world and kernel) are updated every week or two. I had switched to clang very early. There were problems with ports I used but not n

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Claude Buisson
On 02/10/2013 13:28, Fbsd8 wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a p

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Fbsd8
Claude Buisson wrote: On 02/10/2013 13:28, Fbsd8 wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release where accessing floppy disks carry less

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Floppy drive support was removed from Freebsd around release 7.0 I think. > Read the release-notes for 6.0, 7.0 and 8.0 to determine when it happened. Nope, floppy support is still there, and AFAICS it is working just fine: Script started on Sun Fe

Reminder: FreeBSD Quarterly Status Reports, July--December, 2012

2013-02-10 Thread Gabor Pali
Hello there, Let me call your attention to the approaching deadline of the next set(s) of FreeBSD Quarterly Status Reports. Please consider submitting a few lines on your FreeBSD-related project, we are counting on all of you! :-) On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Gabor Pali wrote: >Please

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message , "C. P. Ghost" writes: >On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >I was thinking of physical fdc(4). Is there a published interface >to access the hardware, i.e. to tunnel the commands and return >values to and fr

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net>, Hans Ottevanger writes: >On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the >fdc driver and 8.3-STABLE as of early December (r243900)

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Erik Cederstrand
Den 10/02/2013 kl. 02.30 skrev Erich Dollansky : > I am on dog food since last May/June. How should I phrase it? Every can > tastes different. Most cans have a perfect taste but some cans are > really off. And as long as there is no automatic can taster doing quality assurance of the produced ca

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Eivind Evensen
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:06:44AM +, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less th

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <20130210141340.GA96183@klump.hjerdalen.lokalnett>, Eivind Evensen w rites: >Apart from lots of seeking (for which I don't understand the reason) when >closing the device in DD mode, I don't have any problems with it. That's the ge

Re: geli(8) breaks after a couple hours of uptime

2013-02-10 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:50:58AM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 10/02/2013 01:35 Pawel Jakub Dawidek said the following: > > geli(8) almost exclusively deals with sensitive data. Even mlocking > > MAXPHYS would fail with current limits, but this is bad idea. > > > > With mlockall() I am sure I

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread CeDeROM
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > In a long thread started by Peter Wemm on developers@, he described > the move/upgrade of the FreeBSD.org cluster to using FreeBSD-10. A > part of his description included the need to test top-of-tree under > actual real-world conditions. In

Re: geli(8) breaks after a couple hours of uptime

2013-02-10 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 10/02/2013 17:44 Pawel Jakub Dawidek said the following: > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:50:58AM +0200, Andriy Gapon wrote: >> on 10/02/2013 01:35 Pawel Jakub Dawidek said the following: >>> geli(8) almost exclusively deals with sensitive data. Even mlocking >>> MAXPHYS would fail with current limi

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 10/02/2013 13:06 Poul-Henning Kamp said the following: > > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10%

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 05:39:37PM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote: > 10.02.2013 04:07, Steve Kargl ??: > > As for me I use CURRENT at my JOB for many years now. > I used to i386 but switched to amd64 at the end of 2012. > The system (both world and kernel) are updated every > week or two. >

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 10 February 2013 08:44, Steve Kargl wrote: > Without it, the build infrastructure was selecting -march=i486, > which produced even worse results. Several ports would not > compile because llvm's integrated assembler was given invalid > assembly constructs. Have you submitted bugs? :) Adr

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:05:22AM -0800, Adrian Chadd wrote: > On 10 February 2013 08:44, Steve Kargl > wrote: > > > Without it, the build infrastructure was selecting -march=i486, > > which produced even worse results. Several ports would not > > compile because llvm's integrated assembler wa

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Claude Buisson
On 02/10/2013 15:55, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message<5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net>, Hans Ottevanger writes: On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the fdc drive

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <5117daa6.4000...@orange.fr>, Claude Buisson writes: >> Could you try: >> >> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 >> >> That consistently exploded 7.x and 8.x here yesterday... > >FWIW, > >NO problem here, with: > >7.4-STABLE

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> Could you try: >>> >>> dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/null bs=1048576 >>> >>> That consistently exploded 7.x and 8.x here yesterday... >> >>FWIW, >> >>NO problem here, with: >> >>7.4-STABLE 244498 i386 PII >>8.3-STABLE 243778 i386 P4 >>10.

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In message > > , "C. P. Ghost" writes: >>On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp >>wrote: > >>I was thinking of physical fdc(4). Is there a published interface >>to

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:44:24 -0800 From: Steve Kargl To: Boris Samorodov Subject: Re: 7+ days of dogfood > > FFLAGS = -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native > > I don't like using "=" for FLAGS at make.conf... > > >

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 06:51:23PM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:44:24 -0800 > From: Steve Kargl > To: Boris Samorodov > Subject: Re: 7+ days of dogfood > > > > FFLAGS = -O2 -pipe -march=native -mtune=native > > > > I do

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Anton Shterenlikht
From s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Sun Feb 10 19:06:10 2013 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 06:51:23PM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:44:24 -0800 > From: Steve Kargl > To: Boris Samorodov > Subject:

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Steve Kargl
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:24:03PM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > From s...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu Sun Feb 10 19:06:10 2013 > On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 06:51:23PM +, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 08:44:24 -0800 > > From: Steve K

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Marcin Cieslak
>> Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I tried to read a floppy disk yesterday. > > When was the last time anybody tried that with a FreeBSD release ? > > Based on my brief experiments yesterday, 6.X is the last release > where accessing floppy disks carry less than a 10% risk of a panic. > > Unless some

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Hans Ottevanger
On 02/10/13 15:55, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > In message <5117a0cd.6060...@beastielabs.net>, Hans Ottevanger writes: >> On 02/10/13 12:46, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > >> But I just did an experiment on an old Pentium 4 system here, using the >

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Jeff Anton
Please keep fdc. I have many machines which still have working drives and only last month I used one to make a bootable to update a machines boot prom. I've even got 5 1/2" disk which still work. (Original MSDOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1 disks...) atlas.hesiod.org:root[1]: dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 15:57:01 +0100 Erik Cederstrand wrote: > Den 10/02/2013 kl. 02.30 skrev Erich Dollansky > : > > > I am on dog food since last May/June. How should I phrase it? Every > > can tastes different. Most cans have a perfect taste but some cans > > are really off. > > And as lo

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Jakub Lach
I've ran 8-CURRENT amd64 desktop which evolved to 8-STABLE and 9-STABLE now, without real deal breakers. All rougher edges I reckon from -CURRENT days gradually went away, but system was very usable then too. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/7-days-of-dog

Re: 7+ days of dogfood

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <20130210173150.ga77...@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>, Steve Kargl w rites: >> Have you submitted bugs? :) > >No. At the time, I was more concerned with returning my laptop >to some functioning form [...] Steve, First a hat-tip fo

Re: Time to kill fdc ?

2013-02-10 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message <51180545.8030...@hesiod.org>, Jeff Anton writes: >Please keep fdc. If it works for everybody else, no worries, I wont touch it. I'm just surprised my experience is so different from everybody else... -- Poul-Henning Kamp |