Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-13 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> :> Sometimes we just want to nfs-mount things on the same > :> machine. > : > :Sick, poor in performance and the wrong tool for the job. > :See mount_null(8) for more details on how to do it right. > : > :> > :> One more example: I don't like /var/news so I mount locally > :> /var/news > :> t

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-13 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> Sometimes we just want to nfs-mount things on the same :> machine. : :Sick, poor in performance and the wrong tool for the job. :See mount_null(8) for more details on how to do it right. : :> :> One more example: I don't like /var/news so I mount locally :> /var/news :> to /archive/news on t

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-13 Thread David Wolfskill
>Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 16:54:21 +1100 (EST) >From: Tony Maher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sick, poor in performance and the wrong tool for the job. >> See mount_null(8) for more details on how to do it right. >Yes its perfect for the job apart from: >man mount_null > THIS FILESYSTEM TYPE IS NOT

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-13 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > ... > > > > Independent of order of export/mounting the dead lock occurs. Cross > > mounting via NFS is a verbotten thing in the sysadmin world of production > > systems. :-) I have had to fix it at several sites admin'd by newbies... > > > > I'm not sure you ar

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Tony Maher
> Sick, poor in performance and the wrong tool for the job. > See mount_null(8) for more details on how to do it right. Yes its perfect for the job apart from: man mount_null THIS FILESYSTEM TYPE IS NOT YET FULLY SUPPORTED (READ: IT DOESN'T WORK) AND USING IT MAY, IN FACT, DESTROY DATA O

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Jean Louis Ntakpe
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: ... > > Independent of order of export/mounting the dead lock occurs. Cross > mounting via NFS is a verbotten thing in the sysadmin world of production > systems. :-) I have had to fix it at several sites admin'd by newbies... > I'm not sure you are really understan

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Peter Wemm
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > > [..] > > > So no disk, so just what is it that you are exporting??? > > > > Just a comment: > > > > I've seen scenarios where a local disk is attached holding a kernel, > > bootblocks loader etc, but otherwise booting from a server over

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread David Malone
> If your talking about dead lock caused by mutual cross mounting > between 2 systems via NFS the NFS rule book says ``don't do that, > it hurts''. > > Independent of order of export/mounting the dead lock occurs. Cross > mounting via NFS is a verbotten thing in the sysadmin world of production

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: > [..] > > So no disk, so just what is it that you are exporting??? > > Just a comment: > > I've seen scenarios where a local disk is attached holding a kernel, > bootblocks loader etc, but otherwise booting from a server over NFS. And > it exported the rest of it's

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 01:23:14AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > Also moving them to pass1 would bring up nfs exports before we > > brought up nfs mounts. syslogd would not be running to catch > > Shouldn't nfs exports happen before nfs mounts, so that machines > which have nfs interde

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Martin Blapp
> I've got a loopback mount in /var/db/mounttab that looks like this: > > 946789037 localhost /null > > which is there because I run cfs (a crypto file system; see > /usr/ports/security/cfs). Part of the cfs startup script does > this: > >/usr/local/sbin/cfsd && mount -o port

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Louis A. Mamakos
> What's all this about loopback mounts in fstab about? What does > that have to do with diskless startup? I've got a loopback mount in /var/db/mounttab that looks like this: 946789037 localhost /null which is there because I run cfs (a crypto file system; see /usr/ports/

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Peter Wemm
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: [..] > So no disk, so just what is it that you are exporting??? Just a comment: I've seen scenarios where a local disk is attached holding a kernel, bootblocks loader etc, but otherwise booting from a server over NFS. And it exported the rest of it's disk for general u

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread David Malone
On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 01:23:14AM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Also moving them to pass1 would bring up nfs exports before we > brought up nfs mounts. syslogd would not be running to catch Shouldn't nfs exports happen before nfs mounts, so that machines which have nfs interdependencies don

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > Hi, > > > should not have to run either, *even* for diskless boot. > > > > What's all this about loopback mounts in fstab about? What does > > that have to do with diskless startup? > > Ok. I just rethought everything. It seems that a move is > unnecessary because: > > - Shar

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Martin Blapp
Hi, > should not have to run either, *even* for diskless boot. > > What's all this about loopback mounts in fstab about? What does > that have to do with diskless startup? Ok. I just rethought everything. It seems that a move is unnecessary because: - Sharity light and cfs are st

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Matthew Dillon
:> > portmap(8) and therefore mountd(8) should be started before :> > the nfs filesystems get mounted. But because portmap(8) is in :> > /usr/sbin , users with a nfs mounted /usr filesystem or with :> > diskless filesystems will have big problems. : :I mean, that if I do the change of startup-ord

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > > > portmap(8) and therefore mountd(8) should be started before > > > the nfs filesystems get mounted. But because portmap(8) is in > > > /usr/sbin , users with a nfs mounted /usr filesystem or with > > > diskless filesystems will have big problems. > > I mean, that if I do the change of sta

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Martin Blapp
> > portmap(8) and therefore mountd(8) should be started before > > the nfs filesystems get mounted. But because portmap(8) is in > > /usr/sbin , users with a nfs mounted /usr filesystem or with > > diskless filesystems will have big problems. I mean, that if I do the change of startup-order, di

Re: move portmap(8) from /usr/sbin to /sbin

2000-01-12 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
> > Hi, > > I think we should move portmap(8) to /sbin for the following reason: > > portmap(8) and therefore mountd(8) should be started before > the nfs filesystems get mounted. But because portmap(8) is in > /usr/sbin , users with a nfs mounted /usr filesystem or with > diskless filesystems