Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-12 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > > Non-centralized configuration is frowned upon. Having to find which file > > has something, or having to read through multiple files to understand > > how the system is configured is a disadvantage wrt to the present > > system. > > not so difficult if a command do t

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-11 Thread David Scheidt
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mike Meyer wrote: :Daniel C. Sobral writes: :> Mike Meyer wrote: :> The multiple levels are there to deal with changes in state. In BSD, for :> instance, we have single user/multi-user. A number of other variations :> can exist, both in heavy duty servers where you might want

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-11 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
"Daniel C. Sobral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > > > HP-UX : > > > > /sbin/init.d/script start_msg|stop_msg|start|stop (FMPOV, there isn't not > > enough possible choises, such as status, restart, config, command, etc.) > > /sbin/rc[S0-5].d/[SK][0-9][0-9][0-9]script l

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-11 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/devices.html > > off topic. M... I must have copied the wrong link, then... > > http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/newrc.html > > well. what about a mix of the SystemV approach (ala HP-UX) and the IRIX one > (using something like chconf

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-11 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mikel wrote: > > Kelly Yancey wrote: > > > > > How about rather then separate directories, you prefix the symlink names > > with 'S' for startup scripts and 'K' (for "kill") for shutdown scripts. Then, > > you rename rc.d to rc3.d... > > I like it. It's clean and simple,

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Daniel C. Sobral writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > The multiple levels are there to deal with changes in state. In BSD, for > instance, we have single user/multi-user. A number of other variations > can exist, both in heavy duty servers where you might want to bring > certain services down for upgrade

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
Andrzej Bialecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10 Jul 2000, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > > > and my favorite substitute proposal: > > > > > > http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/. > > > > effectively, the last one is interresting. a major problem w/ this one is the > > use of "perl" which

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On 10 Jul 2000, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > and my favorite substitute proposal: > > > > http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/. > > effectively, the last one is interresting. a major problem w/ this one is the > use of "perl" which is not available a boot time since it is located in /usr. If

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
"Daniel C. Sobral" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > Yes, that's correct. And yes, not all is bad in SysV. In particular, > > having a directory where you can find scripts to stop (and restart) > > subsystems is very nice. I think the multiple levels (rc?.d) is a bit > > of

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > > and my favorite substitute proposal: > > > > > > http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/. > > > > I really like the ideas in the last one. The pages were not updated for > > some time - do you know if the author s

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > and my favorite substitute proposal: > > > > http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/. > > I really like the ideas in the last one. The pages were not updated for > some time - do you know if the author still works on it? No clue. At the time he decided to have a t

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > This has been talked to death. Look at these: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/devices.html > http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/newrc.html > > and my favorite substitute proposal: > > http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/sas/. I really like the ideas

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Mikel
Johan, I quite agree that in the simple but better approach of rc.conf (BSD). However I like the idea of a configurable, directory driven approach to the shutdown. I would be apposed to sysV style rc.d's as I really don't think they provide anything but confusion. At the ISP where I work the BSD

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Mike Meyer wrote: > > Yes, that's correct. And yes, not all is bad in SysV. In particular, > having a directory where you can find scripts to stop (and restart) > subsystems is very nice. I think the multiple levels (rc?.d) is a bit > of overkill. Either the system is up (meaning everything is tu

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Johan Granlund
Please Please Please _Dont_!!! I dont know if someone is yoking, my english is not up to that :( I tried to secure a Solaris machine and hated the whole setup. I't have some good things but i take the simple rc.conf mechanism every time! /Johan On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Mikel wrote: > > > Kelly

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Mikel
Kelly Yancey wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > By all means, use start/stop args, but hard link the .sh files into seperate > > > directories or something so that the order can be tweaked.. > > > > If all you want is to make sure that shutdown happens in the reverse > > ord

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-10 Thread Mike Meyer
Cyrille Lefevre writes: > Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > # Init: 300. Shutdown: -1. Description: Standard smtp (mail) daemon. > > (indicating that it should be installed as /etc/init.d/300sendmail.sh, > > and no shutdown installation is necessary). > I guess you would like to says that

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-09 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
Mike Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > By all means, use start/stop args, but hard link the .sh files into seperate > > directories or something so that the order can be tweaked.. > > If all you want is to make sure that shutdown happens in the reverse > order of startup, that can be done by

Re: etc/rc.d & things...

2000-07-08 Thread Kelly Yancey
On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Mike Meyer wrote: > > By all means, use start/stop args, but hard link the .sh files into seperate > > directories or something so that the order can be tweaked.. > > If all you want is to make sure that shutdown happens in the reverse > order of startup, that can be done by