As far as I can tell, this is coming down to a question of aesthetics or work
preference. Inventing new output tiers is likely to be slow and controversial.
I think boot_mute cuts a nice middle path that can please most
everyone….provided that it can extend the overlay to login prompt (thus
cov
btw, has anyone tried to observe boot if you have like ~50 network interfaces?
it's all useful debug but it's wall of text? but i would not change default
i wouldn't change defaults for kernel too
and our kernel has actually structured output
this is not the case in eg linux kernel or even init
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On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 10:58 AM Warner Losh wrote:
> Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text
> screen if you get t
Because they all follow the same concept. The startup text is useless in
that stage of the OS. If i need it for troubleshooting, dmesg can provide
it. IMHO, no text or no splash are irrelevant if they don't speed up the
boot process. Until we find a way to deal with this, it all boils down to
how t
Most systems have a pretty splash screen, but a very noisy actual text
screen if you get to it :) I'd be inclined to make that work if it has
broken (it used to work great).
Warner
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 11:10 AM Maku Bex wrote:
> Remember that quiet/silent != fast. You might as well ask for a
On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +, Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
wrote:
S> I also realize that this is a probably a controversial perspective. My
motivation here is ultimately service to the FreeBSD Laptop project. Windows
and OSX have conditioned many in the population of the FreeBSD
Remember that quiet/silent != fast. You might as well ask for a "pretty"
splash screen instead of the dizzying text scroll.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025, 12:05 Gleb Smirnoff wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 02, 2025 at 10:19:11AM +, Steven Harms (High-Security
> Mail) wrote:
> S> I also realize that this is a pr
I'm just going to throw this idea out here:
Various non-UNIX operating systems dedicate a small piece of raw
disk to logging purposes, and stick everything on there, instead
of blasting it at users, who seldom care and cannot read that
fast anyway.
The big advantage is that the log is incredibly
On Sunday, February 2nd, 2025 at 2:38 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> One "black box" scenario that came to my mind we did not mention is
> some embedded system that we really do not want to show anything OS
> related just the final login prompt.. or was that the initial idea?
That wasn't one of my mai
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 11:19 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
wrote:
> > Okay, I am sorry, I mixed the general idea with detailed PR that aims
> > just updating routing and devmatch parts with user selectable option
> > not changing a defaults, thus my previous remarks are invalid and
> > upda
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40 AM Sulev-Madis Silber <
freebsd-current-freebsd-org...@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote:
> i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i
> haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about
> "machine scribberish"?
>
systemd-jour
if i read what hellosystem did to whole init, i can't see how it could be
implemented easily, nevermind it being default. they also disabled ttys and
everything
unsure what the solution would be here
there are number of custom fbsd inits, even i have it, with defaults unlikely
to be suitable f
> Okay, I am sorry, I mixed the general idea with detailed PR that aims
> just updating routing and devmatch parts with user selectable option
> not changing a defaults, thus my previous remarks are invalid and
> updated, I apologize! :-)
A goal of this PR was to flush out dialogue around whether
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 1:18 AM Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an
> > effort to quiet down some of the chattiness of module linking and network
>
On Sat, 01 Feb 2025 17:42:48 -0800
Chris wrote:
> On 2025-02-01 16:18, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
> > wrote:
> >> Greetings,
> >> I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an
> >> effort to quiet down some of
On 2025-02-01 16:18, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
wrote:
Greetings,
I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an
effort to quiet down some of the chattiness of module linking and network
diagnostics on startup. I
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
wrote:
> Greetings,
> I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an effort
> to quiet down some of the chattiness of module linking and network
> diagnostics on startup. I'm used to working in a git-based w
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