Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 11:16:58AM -0700, Doug White wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > > group for those programs? This allows

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread sthaug
> > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > > group for those programs? This allows bpf devices to be read by > > programs running with an effective gid of 'bpf' instead of the current > > requi

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-22 Thread Doug White
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > group for those programs? This allows bpf devices to be read by > programs running with an effective gid of

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-21 Thread Robert Watson
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robe > rt Watson writes: > > >> rc.devfs > > > >Unfortunately, this works poorly for cloned devices. At various meetings, > >there has been discussion of a devfsd and/or devd; that's probably the > >vehicle for doi

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-21 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robe rt Watson writes: >> rc.devfs > >Unfortunately, this works poorly for cloned devices. At various meetings, >there has been discussion of a devfsd and/or devd; that's probably the >vehicle for doing that kind of administrative change. Unfortunately, it >doesn

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-21 Thread Robert Watson
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Doug Barton wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Craig Boston wrote: > > > Since -current by default uses devfs, is there a standard way to make the > > ownership/permissions of device nodes "sticky" so that they persist across > > boots? > > rc.devfs Unfortunately, this works p

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Bruce Evans wrote: > On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Craig Boston wrote: > > Since -current by default uses devfs, is there a standard way to make the > > ownership/permissions of device nodes "sticky" so that they persist across > > boots? > > No. > > Or should we just put the appropriate commands in rc.l

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-21 Thread Bruce Evans
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Craig Boston wrote: > Since -current by default uses devfs, is there a standard way to make the > ownership/permissions of device nodes "sticky" so that they persist across > boots? No. Or should we just put the appropriate commands in rc.local ? The problem has been moved

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Doug Barton
On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, Craig Boston wrote: > Since -current by default uses devfs, is there a standard way to make the > ownership/permissions of device nodes "sticky" so that they persist across > boots? rc.devfs -- "We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. And in

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Craig Boston
Crist J. Clark wrote: > These are actually very different in that they are set{u,g}id commands > (well, ps(1) is not set{u,g}id anymore and is root:wheel owned). The > sniffing tools we've been discussing, and pretty much all of the ones > I've used, tcpdump(1), snort(8), nmap(1), etc., are not.

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:27:18PM -0600, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > "Crist" == Crist J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Crist> OK. Now you've really lost me. What do ports have to do with > Crist> this? Which ports? None of the sniffing programs I am aware > Crist> of use

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> "Crist" == Crist J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Crist> OK. Now you've really lost me. What do ports have to do with Crist> this? Which ports? None of the sniffing programs I am aware Crist> of use set{g,u}id bits. They rely on the permissions of the Crist> user running

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 04:02:13PM -0600, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > "Crist" == Crist J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Crist> I do this a lot too on systems where it makes sense. But I'm > Crist> not sure I understand what you are asking to be done. Is it > Crist> asking t

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> "Crist" == Crist J Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Crist> I do this a lot too on systems where it makes sense. But I'm Crist> not sure I understand what you are asking to be done. Is it Crist> asking too much of an administrator to do, There are two ways to handle this. One

Re: Adding a 'bpf' group for /dev/bpf*

2002-04-20 Thread Crist J. Clark
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 03:39:14PM -0600, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > For the benefit of packet sniffers and other things that only want > read-only access to /dev/bpf*, what do people think of adding a 'bpf' > group for those programs? This allows bpf devices to be read by > programs running with