Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 03:52:58PM +0200, Jeremy Lea wrote: ... > Many people don't seem to understand that FreeBSD can be used for > workstations as well as servers and Fortran is *essential* on a > scientific/engineering workstation. ... Absolutely correct. Some up-and-coming IBM simulation p

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 to the base system this > weekend. I should have posted this yesterday... but I had hoped to just get it done. There has been suffient YES response to keep Fortran in the base system. As someone posted to the point: g77 will add very little additional

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Jeremy wrote: > > > 6. Whoever brings patches wins. > > > Steve wrote: > > > > Doesn't apply for getting something *removed* from the tree. > > I've had *patches* and *ports* for f2c and f77 sitting around > > for at least 2 months. Search the mailing list. Nate's comment: > I offered to d

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> > On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 11:19:21PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > > Right or wrong, you forgot: > > > > > > 5. BSD tradition. > > > > > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > > > Me, I'd rather have Fortran as a port. I'd even grudgingly accept > > > fortune as a port, as a matter of fact. Our ba

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Jeremy Lea wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 11:19:21PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > Right or wrong, you forgot: > > > > 5. BSD tradition. > > > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > > Me, I'd rather have Fortran as a port. I'd even grudgingly accept > > fortune as a port, as a matter of f

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> Does gcc has a Pascal? :-) Actually, yes. It's not a part of it yet, but drops in and builds easily with gcc-2.8.1, and with very little extra work for egcs. Check out . Unlike Modula-3 and Gnat, they wrote the front-end in C, so it's a whol

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Hi, On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 11:19:21PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Right or wrong, you forgot: > > 5. BSD tradition. > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > Me, I'd rather have Fortran as a port. I'd even grudgingly accept > fortune as a port, as a matter of fact. Our base system is bloated. > Whi

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Hi, On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 11:28:52AM -0500, Glenn Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 03:52:58PM +0200, Jeremy Lea wrote: > > I always thought the criteria for inclusion of things into the base > > system was: > > > > 1. Needed for 'make world'; > > 2. Needed to get a basic functioning s

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

"John R. LoVerso" wrote: > > > Right or wrong, you forgot: > > > > 5. BSD tradition. > > > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > > By that logic, you'd also have to add a Pascal compiler to the base system. Does gcc has a Pascal? :-) I think we have a Pascal doc under share. > Neither makes much sens

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Thus spake Brian Handy >On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >> [g77 in the source tree] > >>I have to agree here...I personally know noone that actually uses >>Fortran...having it as an option to turn off would be nice...one less >>thing to compile on a buildworld... > >I know *lots* of

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, eagle wrote: > > > On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, eagle wrote: > > > > > > Whelp... I vote to break tradition. Hack away...The installer takes > > > > care of alot of stuff like ports installs. Perhaps different standard > > > > setu

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, eagle wrote: > > > > Whelp... I vote to break tradition. Hack away...The installer takes > > > care of alot of stuff like ports installs. Perhaps different standard > > > setups could be configured as ports. Ie. 'bloated setu

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, eagle wrote: > > Whelp... I vote to break tradition. Hack away...The installer takes > > care of alot of stuff like ports installs. Perhaps different standard > > setups could be configured as ports. Ie. 'bloated setup' would require > > all the ports which are currentl

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Sat, 10 Apr 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > > Right or wrong, you forgot: > > > > 5. BSD tradition. > > > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > > > > Me, I'd rather have Fortran as a port. I'd even grudgingly accept > > fortune as a port, as a matter of fact. Our base system is bloated. > > While a lot of

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> Right or wrong, you forgot: > > 5. BSD tradition. > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. > > Me, I'd rather have Fortran as a port. I'd even grudgingly accept > fortune as a port, as a matter of fact. Our base system is bloated. > While a lot of widely used programs are only available through > ports, a

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 p...@phoenix.volant.org wrote: > > I always thought the criteria for inclusion of things into the base > > system was: > > > > 1. Needed for 'make world'; > > 2. Needed to get a basic functioning server up and running; > > 3. Something usefull only within FreeBSD (like th

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 03:52:58PM +0200, Jeremy Lea wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 10:37:55AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Geez, and I used to think it was only the commercial OSs that had a > > problem with bloat and creeping featurisms ... :( Chuck's idea makes more > > sense.

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Thomas David Rivers wrote: > > Geez, and I used to think it was only the commercial OSs that had a > > problem with bloat and creeping featurisms ... :( Chuck's idea makes more > > sense...how many programs does the average system run that needs a fortran > > compiler? *raised

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

David O'Brien wrote: > > Speaking of ports, I have a working port of f2c and a new > > f77(1) wrapper sitting on my machine. > > I guess naming is going to get sticky here... if f2c has `f77', then *if* > I put egcs/g77 in the main tree, do I install it as `g77' or `f77'? > > The Egcs port instal

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> I always thought the criteria for inclusion of things into the base > system was: > > 1. Needed for 'make world'; > 2. Needed to get a basic functioning server up and running; > 3. Something usefull only within FreeBSD (like the kernel ;), or > 4. Can't be effectively built outside of /usr/s

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> Right or wrong, you forgot: > > 5. BSD tradition. > > Case 5 justifies Fortran. By that logic, you'd also have to add a Pascal compiler to the base system. Neither makes much sense when they can both be ports (or packages) easily addable at install or compile time by the small % of the FreeB

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > [g77 in the source tree] >I have to agree here...I personally know noone that actually uses >Fortran...having it as an option to turn off would be nice...one less >thing to compile on a buildworld... I know *lots* of people that use FORTRAN. That a

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

[cc trimmed to avoid cross-posting] Jeremy Lea wrote: > > I always thought the criteria for inclusion of things into the base > system was: > > 1. Needed for 'make world'; > 2. Needed to get a basic functioning server up and running; > 3. Something usefull only within FreeBSD (like the kernel

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Brian Handy wrote: > > > On 9 Apr 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > >> [4 people said "YES! Add g77!"] > > > > >I beg your pardon? You're adding g77 to the system because you know of > > >four people who would find it useful? Where's the log

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Hi, On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 10:37:55AM -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Geez, and I used to think it was only the commercial OSs that had a > problem with bloat and creeping featurisms ... :( Chuck's idea makes more > sense...how many programs does the average system run that needs a fortran > c

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Brian Handy wrote: > On 9 Apr 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > >> [4 people said "YES! Add g77!"] > > >I beg your pardon? You're adding g77 to the system because you know of > >four people who would find it useful? Where's the logic in that? > > Well, statistically spea

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 03:16:41AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > "David O'Brien" writes: > > > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > > > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > > > t

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

> Yeah, I'm serious, I would really like gcj+libgcj, to get java stuff > compiled (non portably) into binaries on FreeBSD. 1. I agree in principle. 2. I'd sort of like to see a second release of this, at least, before we start talking seriously of bringing it into -current. I predict a rap

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "David O'Brien" writes: > > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > > to the base system this weekend. > > I beg your pardon? You're adding g77 to the system be

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

Satoshi - the Ports Wraith - Asami wrote: > * From: "David O'Brien" > > * I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > * system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > * to the base system this weekend. > > Sorry, I wasn't paying enough a

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On 9 Apr 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >> [4 people said "YES! Add g77!"] >I beg your pardon? You're adding g77 to the system because you know of >four people who would find it useful? Where's the logic in that? Well, statistically speaking, that's a bunch of "ayes" and no "noes". Lots of th

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

* From: "David O'Brien" * I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base * system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 * to the base system this weekend. Sorry, I wasn't paying enough attention I guess. What's wrong with it being a port? I

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 03:16:41AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "David O'Brien" writes: > > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > > to the base system this weekend. > > I beg your

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On 9 Apr 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "David O'Brien" writes: > > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > > to the base system this weekend. > > I beg your pardon? You're adding g77

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

"David O'Brien" writes: > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > to the base system this weekend. I beg your pardon? You're adding g77 to the system because you know of four people who would

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:50:56PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > to the base system this weekend. > > -- > -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@f

Re: ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base > system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 > to the base system this weekend. Personally, yes, lets do it. In fact, I'd like to hear serious discussion,

ATTENTION PLEASE: g77 in base system.

I've only heard back from 4 folks about adding EGCS's g77 to the base system -- all 4 said "yes". Unless I get more feedback, I will add g77 to the base system this weekend. -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with "unsu