Re: squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-30 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/18/2012 23:17, matt wrote: > On 09/18/12 23:00, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 9/18/2012 10:56 PM, matt wrote: >>> On 09/18/12 18:01, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> Sometime in the last couple of months an old problem has resurfaced on >>>> HEAD, a sort of sq

Re: squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/18/2012 10:56 PM, matt wrote: > On 09/18/12 18:01, Doug Barton wrote: >> Sometime in the last couple of months an old problem has resurfaced on >> HEAD, a sort of squealing/whistling sound in the audio, even without >> anything playing. The sound is similar to the w

squealing/whistling audio

2012-09-18 Thread Doug Barton
Sometime in the last couple of months an old problem has resurfaced on HEAD, a sort of squealing/whistling sound in the audio, even without anything playing. The sound is similar to the wind whistling through something. Before I blindly go off on a bisecting spree, does anyone have a suggestion as

Re: underexposed snapshots

2012-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/14/2012 23:43, Randy Bush wrote: > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-arch is a bit empty. i > guess things are moving around. any idea where i can get the latest > tag=. I and others have brought up this issue repeatedly over the last couple of years, and the PTB have decided th

Shouldn't world be able to build without /usr/include?

2012-09-16 Thread Doug Barton
===> tools/build (obj,includes,depend,all,install) grep: /usr/include/stdio.h: No such file or directory /usr/obj/frontier/svn/head/tmp/frontier/svn/head/tools/build created for /frontier/svn/head/tools/build grep: /usr/include/stdio.h: No such file or directory cd /frontier/svn/head/tools/build; m

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/12/2012 1:49 AM, David Chisnall wrote: > On 12 Sep 2012, at 10:09, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Also, users who actually are helping with testing clang for ports >> continue to report runtime problems, even with things that build fine. > > I hope that you are encourag

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 9/12/2012 12:40 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote: > Den 12/09/2012 kl. 11.29 skrev Doug Barton : > >> On 09/11/2012 02:52 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote: >>> So can we do a sweep on the ports tree and mark the 2232 ports >>> with USE_GCC=4.2 until they can actually build wi

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 05:03 AM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 04:10:13PM +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: >> >> However, I think the majority of users can get by just fine using clang, >> right now. Doug Barton even confirmed in this thread that 80% of our >>

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 11:15 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:27:50AM +0200, Lars Engels wrote: >> At the moment the ports maintainers don't give much about if their ports >> build with CLANG or not because they're not forced to. > > I think this is a mis-representation. > > Adding the

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 02:52 AM, Erik Cederstrand wrote: > So can we do a sweep on the ports tree and mark the 2232 ports with > USE_GCC=4.2 until they can actually build with clang? Unfortunately it isn't that simple. We already have a statistically significant number of ports that don't even compile wit

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-11 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/11/2012 02:27 AM, Lars Engels wrote: > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:54:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> As of last week, 4,680 ports out of 23,857 failed to build with clang on >> 9-amd64. That's almost a 20% failure rate. Until we have better support >> for either

Re: Clang as default compiler November 4th

2012-09-10 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 As of last week, 4,680 ports out of 23,857 failed to build with clang on 9-amd64. That's almost a 20% failure rate. Until we have better support for either building ports with clang, or have better support for the idea of a "ports compiler," this cha

Re: Can't build FreeBSD-head with CLANG

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/30/2012 09:16, Dimitry Andric wrote: > [Note that linking GPL-contaminated code into your > kernel proper is, shall we say, "ideologically impure" ;-) But that is > not the issue here.] Can you keep this kind of stuff to -chat please? The more we deal with the technical aspects the better o

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/01/2012 12:59, Garrett Cooper wrote: > Again, this is part of the reason why I suggested multiple release > trains. Although it's more painful for bapt@, et all, it's ultimately > what would need to be done in order for pkgng to be packaged with a > release or set of releases. Garrett,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-09-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 09/01/2012 23:01, Matthew Seaman wrote: > As rebuilding the repo database is something you'ld do routinely anyhow > as part of normal maintenance Errr ... what? Why would this be true? Doesn't pkg keep the repo database up to date as it's making changes? -- I am only one, but I am one.

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-30 Thread Doug Barton
4, John Baldwin wrote: >>>>> On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: >>>>>> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the >>>>>> base magically deleting themselves. >>>>>> >>>&g

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 13:35, Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Ian Lepore wrote: > >> On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 20:58 +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wr

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 13:02, namor wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 03:28:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to >>> /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap wo

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 12:08, Ian Lepore wrote: > Would this get better if the bootstrap tool were named pkg and were > installed on a fresh system at /usr/local/sbin, so that it in effect > replaces itself with the real thing, and has no need to leave a > forwarding stub in /usr/sbin ? > > Maybe it could

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 11:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:39:07AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >> >>> The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg >>> bootstrap may it

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 05:58, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > The is the longer plan but this with also true with pkg_add -r, and the pkg > bootstrap may it be pkg-bootstrap or /usr/sbin/pkg. We have been discussing > with > Security officers and we are waiting for the plan being written and setup by > them,

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/26/2012 11:37, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 11:34:08AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: >>> True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have >>> to install pkgng by hand. >> >

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/25/2012 02:49, Julien Laffaye wrote: > True. But when you create jails without the installer, you have to > install pkgng by hand. Just like all the other ports you have to install in a jail. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something. And I

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 5:33 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 01:25:15AM +0100, Jonathan Anderson wrote: >> On 24 Aug 2012, at 23:38, Doug Barton wrote: >>> Let me rephrase that more simply ... very few users are ever goi

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/24/2012 1:15 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > BTW for people who haven't tested and want to share their opinion, > here is how work /usr/sbin/pkg: > > it first checks if ${LOCALBASE}/sbin/pkg is there - if yes it > directly execute ${LOCALBASE}/

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/23/2012 8:03 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:59, Doug Barton wrote: >> I tend to agree with Steve here ... we can't be responsible for other >> people's poorly written docs. > > This isn't about poorly written docs. This is the user expect

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/23/2012 7:23 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: > On 23 August 2012 22:15, Steve Wills wrote: >> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: >> >>> On 23 August 2012 22:05, Steve Wills wrote: >>> Why can't one of those steps be to run "pkg-bootstrap"? >>> >>> Because the how-to may not be for

Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/23/2012 3:19 PM, Steve Wills wrote: > Hi, > > It seems to me that renaming the pkg binary in /usr/sbin/pkg to > /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap would make sense. From a user standpoint, it is > confusing that running the command gets different results the second time it > is run vs. the first time

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-23 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 8/22/2012 5:27 AM, Ivan Voras wrote: > On 21/08/2012 22:15, Doug Barton wrote: > >> And in this case, it doesn't matter how awesome the new tools >> are, they are a MAJOR paradigm shift for how users interact wi

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-22 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 6:58 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Doug Barton wrote: > >> I don't think we have ever done a complete replacement of major >> infrastructure in one release. > > You mean like sysinstall can be used as an installer on 9 that would >

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 1:08 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daro

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 12:42 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:38:04PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> 1/ if it fits the schedule: get rid of pkg_* tools in current >>> to be able to have a fully pkgng onl

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 12:05 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > 1/ if it fits the schedule: get rid of pkg_* tools in current to be > able to have a fully pkgng only 10-RELEASE I think it would fit better with historic precedents to make pkg optional (but default on) in 10, and mandatory in 11. As stated befor

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 11:47 AM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 8/21/2012 6:46 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> I would also like to just remove pkg_* tools from RELENG_10 if that fits the >>> schedule. >> >> Um, no

Re: pkgng 1.0 release schedule, and HEAD switch to pkgng by default schedule

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 6:46 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > I would also like to just remove pkg_* tools from RELENG_10 if that fits the > schedule. Um, no? Until pkg becomes mandatory (which can't happen for several years) the pkg_* tools can't be removed altogether. What _would_ be useful is what should

Re: r239356: does it mean, that synchronous dhcp and dhcplcinet with disabled devd gone?

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/21/2012 6:34 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > Humm. devd is the more common case, and we explicitly don't use devd to > start > dhclient on boot even when devd is enabled (so out of the box dhcp would > first > be started by rc, but would be restarted by devd). That sounds reasonable. People w

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 06:32, Alexander Motin wrote: > I have no plans to converge them. I've just found problem in ULE, that > was replicated into 4BSD and it would be strange to fix one without > another. But fixing it exposed another old problem specific to 4BSD, > which I fixed reusing logically equival

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/20/2012 02:59, Alexander Motin wrote: > On 20.08.2012 11:32, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/15/2012 03:18, Alexander Motin wrote: >>> On 15.08.2012 03:09, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>>>> Would you be wi

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/15/2012 03:18, Alexander Motin wrote: > On 15.08.2012 03:09, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: >>> Would you be willing to compile a kernel with KTR so you can capture >>> some KTR scheduler dumps? >>> >>> Th

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-15 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/14/2012 09:18 PM, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2012-08-15 02:09, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > ... >>> Maybe things aren't being scheduled correctly and the added latency is >>> killing performance? >> >> You

Re: CURRENT as gateway on not-so-fast hardware: where is a bottlneck?

2012-08-14 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/14/2012 12:20 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > Hi, > > Would you be willing to compile a kernel with KTR so you can capture > some KTR scheduler dumps? > > That way the scheduler peeps can feed this into schedgraph.py (and you > can too!) to figure out what's going on. > > Maybe things aren't bei

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/04/2012 17:56, Kevin Oberman wrote: > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 08/04/2012 14:26, Garrett Cooper wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> >>>> On 08/04/2012 00:40, O. Hartmann wrote: >>&

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 12:18, David Chisnall wrote: > Thank you for your thoughtful reply, You too ... I let some time go by to see what others had to say. I think it's disappointing that more people aren't concerned about this issue. > On 2 Aug 2012, at 19:33, Doug Barton wrote: > &

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/04/2012 14:26, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 08/04/2012 00:40, O. Hartmann wrote: >>> No, also in my case. I build world and the VBox software with each >>> kernel - usually. >> >> You c

Re: VirtualBox: Eating up 100% CPU, freezing Windows 7

2012-08-04 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 08/04/2012 00:40, O. Hartmann wrote: > No, also in my case. I build world and the VBox software with each > kernel - usually. You can ensure that by putting this in src.conf: PORTS_MODULES= emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod You can place other mod

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 11:12, David Chisnall wrote: > FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Yeah, I get that. I've been around quite a bit longer than you have, in case you didn't notice. :) I understand what you're saying, it's going to take work to change this mindset, and to provide these resources. If you r

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:39, John Baldwin wrote: > I find this a bit ironic from you given that I've met you in person at > USENIX ATC which is an order of magnitude more expensive than BSDCan (and > in fact, one of the reasons the US-based BSDCon died and was effectively > supplanted by BSDCan was that BS

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:40, Warner Losh wrote: > One thing to remember about the IETF. There's many vendors that devote > significant resources to the IETF. While I was at Cisco, for example, I know > that we provided audio and video bridges to IEFT meetings to facilitate > remote attendance at the m

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:37, David Chisnall wrote: > > Thank you for volunteering to organise this. It's good to see people with > both the motivation and experience required to do something well actively > contributing to the project. Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:34, Doug Barton wrote: > BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks > like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html > > Feel free to join in as a lurker. Sorry, this ag

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
BTW, for those who'd like to get a flavor of what the IETF model looks like, the Vancouver meeting is in process now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/84/agenda.html Feel free to join in as a lurker. -- I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do something.

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 10:13, David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? >> If I missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you >> don't tell people

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:44, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > The "Watson/Losh connection" worked really well in BSDCan 2010 :). I wasn't going to mention that, since I didn't want to tell tales out of school. But the fact that remote participation actually was provided for "the right people," even though I was

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 05:54, David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Aug 2012, at 05:30, Doug Barton wrote: > >> I used to ask the PTB to provide *some* form of remote >> participation for even a fraction of the events at the dev summit. >> I don't bother asking anymore because year a

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-02 Thread Doug Barton
On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote: > > On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman > wrote: > >> Doug makes some good points. > > No, he doesn't. Yes I do! (So there) > He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory > where none of that is warranted. > > I used to run the devsummits,

Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

2012-08-01 Thread Doug Barton
On 8/1/2012 8:36 PM, Warner Losh wrote: > I think this proves the point everybody has been saying: you are being > needlessly contrary and confrontational. Actually if you take a step back and look at what Arnaud is saying objectively, he's right. If anyone can attend the meeting by simply gettin

Re: MPSAFE VFS -- List of upcoming actions

2012-07-18 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/17/2012 22:54, Gustau Pérez i Querol wrote: > In fact filesystems not particulary specific and not tied our kernel > would go to userspace; thinks like smbfs, nwfs, ntfs, ext2 o ext4 for > example should be in userspace A big -1 here. The more native FS support we have the better off we are

Re: fetch(1) fails with https:// - Authentication error

2012-07-14 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/13/2012 21:21, Jan Beich wrote: > It seems recent OpenSSL update broke fetch(1) for me. > > $ diff -u $SRC_BASE/crypto/openssl/apps/openssl.cnf /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf > $ fetch https://foo/bar > fetch: https://foo/bar: Authentication error > > Same error as with the patch for 1.0.0d fro

Re: [HEADSUP] OpenSSL 1.0.1c merge in progress

2012-07-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/13/2012 08:52 AM, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > On 2012-07-13 05:55:04 -0400, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 07/12/2012 05:03 PM, Jung-uk Kim wrote: >>> FYI, OpenSSL 1.0.1c import is complete now. Please let me know >>> if you have any problem. > >> Sorry if I misse

Re: [HEADSUP & CFT] pkg 1.0rc1 and schedule

2012-07-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/13/2012 05:26 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:16:41 pm Doug Barton wrote: >> On 07/12/2012 02:11 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: >>> You might want to view Baptiste's pkgng presentation at BSDCan: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watc

Re: [HEADSUP] OpenSSL 1.0.1c merge in progress

2012-07-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/12/2012 05:03 PM, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > FYI, OpenSSL 1.0.1c import is complete now. Please let me know if you > have any problem. Sorry if I missed it, but did you bump OSVERSION for this change? If not, could you? It would be helpful for dealing with ports stuff, especially USE_OPENSSL. Do

Re: [HEADSUP & CFT] pkg 1.0rc1 and schedule

2012-07-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/12/2012 03:02 PM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:48:41AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> I do not mean this e-mail to be in any way critical. I was told after >> the new OPTIONS framework discussion that I should have asked questions >> before the

Re: [HEADSUP & CFT] pkg 1.0rc1 and schedule

2012-07-12 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/12/2012 02:11 PM, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > You might want to view Baptiste's pkgng presentation at BSDCan: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hxq7AHZ27I Sure, the next time I have an hour to spare. I don't think what I'm asking for is unreasonable. One could even conclude that answering t

Re: [HEADSUP & CFT] pkg 1.0rc1 and schedule

2012-07-12 Thread Doug Barton
I do not mean this e-mail to be in any way critical. I was told after the new OPTIONS framework discussion that I should have asked questions before the change, so I'm asking these questions now; in a genuine attempt to get information. On 07/12/2012 03:01 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: In the tim

Re: Java and NIO?

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 20:01, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Jul 8, 2012, at 22:39 , Doug Barton wrote: > >> On 07/08/2012 19:33, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> A followup. zookeeper is now ported to Freebsd (/usr/ports/devel/zookeeper) >> >> George, did you

Re: Java and NIO?

2012-07-08 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/08/2012 19:33, George Neville-Neil wrote: > A followup. zookeeper is now ported to Freebsd (/usr/ports/devel/zookeeper) George, did you see the PR and the followup from me regarding the port? -- This .signature sanitized for your protection _

Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/04/2012 15:02, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > The thing, as I see it, is that people have to understand > this is a volunteer project and if people don't do things > by themselves they really can't demand someone else to > do it for them. Of course. But that's totally different from, "I don't use Fr

Re: Why NOT using FreeBSD? Re: ports/169581: editors/libreoffice:

2012-07-04 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/03/2012 11:34, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 10:59:03AM +0200, Hartmann, O. wrote: >> On 07/02/12 08:09, Sayetsky Anton wrote: >>> I will test libreoffice build on 8.3-RELEASE today or tomorrow. >>> I have both gstreamer a

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-30 Thread Doug Barton
r nthreads==>parallel renaming, NBSD will support all > NGNU options. > > Thank you for the suggestion. > Oleg > >> -----Original Message- >> From: Doug Barton [mailto:do...@freebsd.org] >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 2:02 PM >> To: Oleg Moskalenko &g

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-29 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/29/2012 01:50 PM, Oleg Moskalenko wrote: > 5) NBSD adds several of its own new proprietary options: > > --mergesort > --qsort > --heapsort > --radixsort > --nthreads=... (multi-threaded build only) Oleg, First, thank you very much for providing both the performance numbers, and t

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-27 Thread Doug Barton
I officially withdraw from the discussion. I hope it all works out well. ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/27/2012 07:30 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > > > --- Mer 27/6/12, Doug Barton ha scritto: > ... >> >>> I believe we do not >>> make this kind of work with any vendor code that is >> being updated in the >>> base; >> >> Au contra

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/27/2012 03:02 AM, Daniel Gerzo wrote: > On 27.06.2012 10:43, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 06/27/2012 02:09 AM, Oleg Moskalenko wrote: >>> Doug, I'll post some performance figures, probably tomorrow. >> >> That's great, thanks. >> >>> But I

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/27/2012 02:09 AM, Oleg Moskalenko wrote: > Doug, I'll post some performance figures, probably tomorrow. That's great, thanks. > But I do not agree with you that we have to reproduce the old sort bugs. > It makes no sense and I am not going to do that. Absolutely not. That isn't what I said

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/26/2012 11:48 PM, Oleg Moskalenko wrote: > > >> -Original Message- From: Doug Barton >> [mailto:do...@freebsd.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 11:18 PM >> To: Gabor Kovesdan Cc: FreeBSD Current; Oleg Moskalenko Subject: >> Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort i

Re: [HEADS-UP] BSD sort is the default sort in -CURRENT

2012-06-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/26/2012 11:04 PM, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Hi Folks, > > as I announced before, the default sort in -CURRENT has been changed > to BSD sort. Has this been performance tested vs. the old one? If so, where are the results? > Since the import, the reported minor bugs have been > fixed and BSD

Re: mountd starts to early when exporting fs marked as late (patch included)

2012-06-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/24/2012 16:07, Steven Hartland wrote: > We added some new mount points recently and on reboot they failed to > come up after investigating we found that mountd runs too early in > the boot process to be able export filesystems that are marked as > late in /etc/fstab. > > Our fix was simply t

Re: PORTS_MODULES fix

2012-06-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/09/2012 16:51, Doug Barton wrote: > Ok, never mind the last one ... this patch I've actually tested. :) Committed to HEAD and MFC'ed. Thanks everyone for the feedback and help. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for yo

PORTS_MODULES

2012-06-17 Thread Doug Barton
Howdy, This is an FYI to let people know about a really nice feature for those that have ports installed which include kernel modules. You can place a list in /etc/src.conf like this: PORTS_MODULES= emulators/virtualbox-ose-kmod sysutils/fusefs-kmod x11/nvidia-driver which will cause those modu

Re: PORTS_MODULES fix

2012-06-09 Thread Doug Barton
Ok, never mind the last one ... this patch I've actually tested. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection Index: kern.post.mk === --- kern.post.mk(revision 236818) +++ kern.post.mk(working copy

Re: PORTS_MODULES fix

2012-06-09 Thread Doug Barton
Ok, after reading your PR and discussion on IRC I have the following which incorporates all the suggestions so far. I haven't actually tested this yet, but if people agree that this is the right direction to go I will before I commit it of course. Doug -- It's always a long day; 8640

Re: PORTS_MODULES fix

2012-06-09 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 06/09/2012 10:40, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 09/06/2012 18:26, Chris Rees wrote: >> On 9 June 2012 18:15, Doug Barton wrote: >>> I have recently tried the PORTS_MODULES knob, and found a >>> problem. The p

PORTS_MODULES fix

2012-06-09 Thread Doug Barton
I have recently tried the PORTS_MODULES knob, and found a problem. The ports tree searches for some dependencies by finding a binary in PATH, and that fails since by default /usr/local/ isn't there. The attached patch fixes that problem. It would be more robust to use PREFIX there instead of /usr/

Re: OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc completeness

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 5/28/2012 3:05 PM, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Doug Barton (do...@freebsd.org) wrote: > >>>> this issue. The numerous problems we've had with it ever since it was >>>> introduced seem to bear me out. :) >>> >>> Can you list them? A missin

Re: OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc completeness

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/28/2012 13:23, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > On Mon, 28 May 2012 12:59:17 -0700 Doug Barton > wrote: > >> this issue. The numerous problems we've had with it ever since it was >> introduced seem to bear me out. :) > > Can you list them? A missing obsolete

Re: OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc completeness

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/28/2012 12:52, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Doug Barton (do...@freebsd.org) wrote: > >>> I'm running a little pet project of improving completeness of >>> tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc file and thus delete-old* >>> targets with regard to all

Re: OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc completeness

2012-05-28 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/27/2012 07:05, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > Hi! > > I'm running a little pet project of improving completeness of > tools/build/mk/OptionalObsoleteFiles.inc file and thus delete-old* > targets with regard to all possible WITHOUT_* knobs. > > E.g. when WITHOUT_foo is defined in src.conf, make d

Re: WARNING: su(1) broken in head

2012-05-26 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/26/2012 16:36, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >> probably due to an issue in the latest openpam; sudo is not affected > > should be fixed now. Confirmed, thanks. :) -- This .signature sanitized for your protection __

Latest PAM seems to break su

2012-05-26 Thread Doug Barton
su Segmentation fault: 11 no core is produced. Currently broken: r236118 Previous r235567 sudo works. -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Daily, weekly, security scripts....

2012-05-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/24/2012 03:49 AM, Willem Jan Withagen wrote: > [I looked for a better list to drop this on, but other that freebsd-rc > nothing seems close.] freebsd-rc@ is not appropriate for discussing periodic, as the 2 are totally unrelated. At this time there is no dedicated maintainer for periodic, s

Re: [review request] usr.sbin/service - make showing files configurable

2012-05-17 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/17/2012 02:51 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > Yeah it's what I get for mashing a pseudo example up and not testing it! S'ok, I screwed up ${service##*/} in mine. :) ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/f

Re: [review request] usr.sbin/service - make showing files configurable

2012-05-17 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/14/2012 06:35, Bryan Drewery wrote: > > > On 5/13/2012 6:15 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 5/12/2012 8:23 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I found service(8) to be inconsistent that it lis

Re: svn commit: r235275 - projects user

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Barton
On 5/14/2012 12:02 AM, Ulrich Spoerlein wrote: > Uli - amazed that a change to a document that apparently no one is > reading can cause such a fuss. ... which is the point that several of us tried to make, and which you seem to have ignored. The problem with committers not reading the documentati

Re: svn commit: r235275 - projects user

2012-05-13 Thread Doug Barton
When you proposed these changes not only did I not see a consensus for you to move forward, I saw a non-zero number of people push back. Why did you proceed? Doug On 5/11/2012 9:08 AM, Ulrich Spoerlein wrote: > Author: uqs > Date: Fri May 11 16:08:51 2012 > New Revision: 235275 > URL: http://sv

Re: [review request] usr.sbin/service - make showing files configurable

2012-05-13 Thread Doug Barton
On 5/12/2012 8:23 PM, Bryan Drewery wrote: > Hi, > > I found service(8) to be inconsistent that it listed files with `service > -e`, but plain services with `service -l` That behavior is by design. Thanks for your interest, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection __

Re: panic, seems related to r234386

2012-05-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/07/2012 23:14, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: >> > Finally, should my next step be to advance to the latest current + your >> > patch and see how I go from there? > Yep, so that patches will be tested before they go to head. For the record, I upgraded to r235151 + the removal of those 2 locks and h

Re: Binary packages for LibreOffice 3.5 or 3.4

2012-05-09 Thread Doug Barton
Has anyone answered the original question? Are there going to be packages for libreoffice? If not, why not? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinf

Re: panic, seems related to r234386

2012-05-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/07/2012 13:11, Mateusz Guzik wrote: > On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 12:28:41PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: >> On 05/06/2012 15:19, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: >>> On 7 May 2012 01:54, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> I got this with today's current, previous (working)

Re: panic, seems related to r234386

2012-05-07 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/06/2012 15:19, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: > On 7 May 2012 01:54, Doug Barton wrote: >> I got this with today's current, previous (working) kernel is r232719. >> >> panic: _mtx_lock_sleep: recursed on non-recursive mutex struct mount mtx >> @ /frontier/s

Re: panic, seems related to r234386

2012-05-06 Thread Doug Barton
On 05/06/2012 15:19, Sergey Kandaurov wrote: > Please try this patch. > > Index: fs/ext2fs/ext2_vfsops.c > === > --- fs/ext2fs/ext2_vfsops.c (revision 235108) > +++ fs/ext2fs/ext2_vfsops.c (working copy) > @@ -830,7 +830,6 @@

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