Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
I'm just going to throw this idea out here: Various non-UNIX operating systems dedicate a small piece of raw disk to logging purposes, and stick everything on there, instead of blasting it at users, who seldom care and cannot read that fast anyway. The big advantage is that the log is incredibly

Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
On Sunday, February 2nd, 2025 at 2:38 PM, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > One "black box" scenario that came to my mind we did not mention is > some embedded system that we really do not want to show anything OS > related just the final login prompt.. or was that the initial idea? That wasn't one of my mai

Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 11:19 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote: > > Okay, I am sorry, I mixed the general idea with detailed PR that aims > > just updating routing and devmatch parts with user selectable option > > not changing a defaults, thus my previous remarks are invalid and > > upda

Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40 AM Sulev-Madis Silber < freebsd-current-freebsd-org...@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i > haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about > "machine scribberish"? > systemd-jour

Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Sulev-Madis Silber
if i read what hellosystem did to whole init, i can't see how it could be implemented easily, nevermind it being default. they also disabled ttys and everything unsure what the solution would be here there are number of custom fbsd inits, even i have it, with defaults unlikely to be suitable f

Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system)

2025-02-02 Thread Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)
> Okay, I am sorry, I mixed the general idea with detailed PR that aims > just updating routing and devmatch parts with user selectable option > not changing a defaults, thus my previous remarks are invalid and > updated, I apologize! :-) A goal of this PR was to flush out dialogue around whether