>From the keyboard of M. Warner Losh:
> My take on this. We should remove perl from the base, and
> automatically install the port for most users in sysinstall, just like
> we do with XFree86.
OK, fine and if then an option "FETCH_MAKE_AND_INSTALL_PERL_FROM_PORTS"
is added to make.conf and made
Terry,
On 23:11-0700, May 1, 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Maxim Konovalov wrote:
>
> [ ... patch to wait for children, but do nothing with the result ... ]
>
> Yes.
>
> Why not just set the signal handler for the child process
> termination to "ignore", so that the child processes do
> not beco
>
> Out of curiosity, do only 3c509's exibit this behavior, or is this
> the core problem with 3c59x's as well? My experiences have not
> been consistent with these cards, and I had assumed it was due
> to buggy code in the 3-Com chipset. I've noticed flaky behavior from the
> "Vortex" [3c59x]
Maxim Konovalov wrote:
[ ... patch to wait for children, but do nothing with the result ... ]
Yes.
Why not just set the signal handler for the child process
termination to "ignore", so that the child processes do
not become zombied in the first place, so it's not ever
necessary to do a useless
Fisher Mark wrote:
>
>Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain)
[ ... de-MIME-ed dso that it's distinguishable from an email virus ... ]
] I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm still unclear -- are we
] talking about building the "miniperl" that Perl already creates during the
] bu
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Glendon Gross wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, do only 3c509's exibit this behavior, or is this
> the core problem with 3c59x's as well? My experiences have not
> been consistent with these cards, and I had assumed it was due
> to buggy code in the 3-Com chipset. I've noticed fl
Maxim Konovalov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone object to the next patch:
while (wait(NULL) > 0 || errno == EINTR)
/* nothing */ ;
DES
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Out of curiosity, do only 3c509's exibit this behavior, or is this
the core problem with 3c59x's as well? My experiences have not
been consistent with these cards, and I had assumed it was due
to buggy code in the 3-Com chipset. I've noticed flaky behavior from the
"Vortex" [3c59x] card as well
On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 12:04:47PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote:
>
> How about using this script instead of makeLINT.pl?
Looks great. Please commit. :-)
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:33:05 +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 10:27:10PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to build -current from today (4/28/2002) on a -stable box with a
> > kernel/world from April 25th.
> >
> > It blows up in xlint:
> >
> > =
How about using this script instead of makeLINT.pl?
# MIME multipart post is rejected by hub...
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#! /bin/sh
# $FreeBSD$
/usr/bin/sed -e 's/#.*//' -e 's/\ //' | /usr/bin/awk '
/^[ \t]*$/ { next }
/^hint\./ { next }
/^(\
machine|\
ident|\
device|\
makeoptions|\
options|\
profile
/-- Alfred Perlstein wrote:
| -current compiled today mp3s play too fast, any ideas on how to
| diagnose this?
|
| pcm0: port 0xef00-0xef3f,0xe800-0xe8ff irq 9 at device
| 31.5 on pci0
| pcm0: measured ac97 link rate at 44061 Hz
You can set a sysctl to set the ac97 link rate. I don't recall o
-current compiled today mp3s play too fast, any ideas on how to
diagnose this?
pcm0: port 0xef00-0xef3f,0xe800-0xe8ff irq 9 at device 31.5 on
pci0
pcm0: measured ac97 link rate at 44061 Hz
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Kenneth Culver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: But doesn't the kernel rely on perl for building?
:
:
: perl5 ../../kern/vnode_if.pl -h ../../kern/vnode_if.src
:
: does it make sense to remove it from the base when the base depends on it?
The base will
But doesn't the kernel rely on perl for building?
perl5 ../../kern/vnode_if.pl -h ../../kern/vnode_if.src
does it make sense to remove it from the base when the base depends on it?
Ken
On Wed, 1 May 2002, M. Warner Losh wrote:
> My take on this. We should remove perl from the base, and
> au
My take on this. We should remove perl from the base, and
automatically install the port for most users in sysinstall, just like
we do with XFree86.
Warner
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i broke down and did a fresh install of the developer's
preview of 5.0 and the wi driver picks up the d-link
wireless card and works like a champ. the catch is that
for some reason the ed driver doesn't seem to want to recognize
my isa ne2000 (compliant) nic. i recompiled the kernel making
s
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:37:10PM -0700, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
>
> > I STRONGLY suggest that this discussion should get it's own mailing list,
> > though, this is off topic for both perl5-porters and freebsd-current.
> > I'm certain both those li
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Guido Kollerie wrote:
>
> Unfortunately the switch is unmanaged hence I am not able to
> explicitely set the switch to 100 Mbits full-duplex. Using
> ifconfig to set the nic to 10baseT/UTP and then back to 100baseTX
> full-duplex doesn't help. Only a reboot will bring the NI
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
> I STRONGLY suggest that this discussion should get it's own mailing list,
> though, this is off topic for both perl5-porters and freebsd-current.
> I'm certain both those lists are busy enough, and OS distrib people
> need a common ground.
>
> [EMAIL
> > and just add enough file to build miniperl.
>
> I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm still unclear -- are we
> talking about building the "miniperl" that Perl already creates during the
> build process? If not, the minimal perl for building the FreeBSD kernel
> should have a di
Bill Fenner schrieb:
>
> I had the same symptoms (drifting about 2 minutes an hour) on sources
> before April 17 or so. Since then, ntpd has only logged 5 time updates,
> as opposed to 3 per hour.
>
The drift wasn't visible immediately, but only after the "magical" 49.7 days
or 2^31 clock ticks.
On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 08:08:02PM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote:
> at 100baseTX is slower than 10Mgb :-(
Same problem here with the xl0 driver. My 3Com 3c905C-TX Fast
Etherlink XL connects to a Cisco Micro Switch (1548, unmanaged).
According to the lights on the back of the switch everything runs
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Daniel Rock writes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp schrieb:
>>
>> When was your source tree from on that kernel ?
>>
>> I'm not too confident in your diagnosis, mostly because we don't
>> have a counter like you describe :-)
>>
>> My guess is that ntpd get confused.
>>
>> P
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 03:00:45PM -0500, Fisher Mark wrote:
> > One possible solution might be as follow;
> >
> > rename /usr/src/contrib/perl5 to /usr/src/contrib/miniperl5
> >
> > and just add enough file to build miniperl.
>
> I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm still unclear
Does anyone object to the next patch:
Index: newsyslog.c
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/newsyslog/newsyslog.c,v
retrieving revision 1.41
diff -u -r1.41 newsyslog.c
--- newsyslog.c 10 Apr 2002 10:38:44 - 1.41
+++ news
Title: RE: Save a few hunderd kilobytes or a few hundred perl users?
> One possible solution might be as follow;
>
> rename /usr/src/contrib/perl5 to /usr/src/contrib/miniperl5
>
> and just add enough file to build miniperl.
I've read all the messages in this thread, but I'm still unclear
Poul-Henning Kamp schrieb:
>
> When was your source tree from on that kernel ?
>
> I'm not too confident in your diagnosis, mostly because we don't
> have a counter like you describe :-)
>
> My guess is that ntpd get confused.
>
> Please try a newer kernel, a number of bug(lets) have been fixe
On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 10:35, Ian wrote:
>
> > cpp0: cc: output pipe has been closedInternal compiler error: program cc1 got
> > fatal signal 10
> >
>
> I have seen cc1 die like this many many times, and have only ever seen 2
> root causes for the death:
>
> 1) bad ram
> 2) you overclocked th
On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 08:54:16PM +0200, Anders Nordby wrote:
> While doing network installs of recent -current versions (FTP & NFS), I
> have experienced a problem I can't live with - and which needs the
> laptop to be sent to Acer to get fixed.
I should add: my laptop is an Acer TravelMate 613
Hi,
While doing network installs of recent -current versions (FTP & NFS), I
have experienced a problem I can't live with - and which needs the
laptop to be sent to Acer to get fixed.
The problem is: the installation freezes (usually quite early in the
installation process, doing /bin or somethin
< said:
> I have been building XFree86 without problems,
I just rebuilt both -current (Friday or Saturday timeframe) and all of
X (last night) without a problem. (Well, other than all of the old
binaries I need to recompile now...)
-GAWollman
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On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:17:40AM +0900, Dan Kogai wrote:
> Speaking of which, the whole build process does not use objective-C
> (correct me if I am wrong).
The cost of Objective-C, given we have to have C, is 1 minute in build
time, and 390K of diskspace (installed). This is several orders
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Wemm writes:
>Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>>
>> This patch simplifies the auto-negotiation in the MII/PHY code, but
>> I don't have enough weird ethernet cards to test it out.
>>
>> Please test and if it doesn't work send me dmesg -v output and info
>> on what
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
> Well, my understanding is that this is exactly what Mark is talking
> about-- for the needs of the FreeBSD itself (build, pksrc?) they don't
> need all of Perl. For that miniperl or something like Debian's
> perl-base where you don't start by leavin
> On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 12:56 , Mark Murray wrote:
> >> For me, nowadays 45MB is nothing compared to medium HDD capacity, and
> >> even
> >> my POCKET PC will easily accomodate it...
> >
> > 45 MB is fine as a port - we have ports that are way bigger than that.
>
> And we even have bigger
> But to sensibly strip down the distribution to just as much as needed
> does take a lot of something the most precious -- intellectual power.
> That I consider a waste. I don't think anyone objects that there are
> several hundred, or even thousand, files under /usr/src so long as it
> bui
On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 12:56 , Mark Murray wrote:
>> For me, nowadays 45MB is nothing compared to medium HDD capacity, and
>> even
>> my POCKET PC will easily accomodate it...
>
> 45 MB is fine as a port - we have ports that are way bigger than that.
And we even have bigger ports that does
Debian's perl-base is a little bit more than miniperl but it still is
only 1.2MB (ix86).
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> > I'm not sure that is acceptable. I believe that perl 5.8.0 will be
> > +- 45 MB. I cannot afford to import all of that - I'd get lynched.
>
> that is price, for example, for Unicode.
> Okay, when many platforms will be doing stripping their tools, everyone
> should remember where his perl pro
I had the same symptoms (drifting about 2 minutes an hour) on sources
before April 17 or so. Since then, ntpd has only logged 5 time updates,
as opposed to 3 per hour.
Bill
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On Wed, 1 May 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> When was your source tree from on that kernel ?
>
> I'm not too confident in your diagnosis, mostly because we don't
> have a counter like you describe :-)
>From kern_clock.c:
%%%
int ticks;
%%%
but this is treated as an cyclic counter so its
[Quoting Hugo van der Sanden, on May 1 2002, 15:06, in "Re: Save a few hunde"]
> Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :Whatever approach we take, two major problems must be solved to
> :accomplish this:
> : 1: A perl distribution must be able to be (re)located anywhere and
> :use itself
When was your source tree from on that kernel ?
I'm not too confident in your diagnosis, mostly because we don't
have a counter like you describe :-)
My guess is that ntpd get confused.
Please try a newer kernel, a number of bug(lets) have been fixed
since march.
If it happens again, please e
Hi,
after almost 50 days of uptime I suddenly noticed an extreme clock drift
in current. Here is an excerpt from my /var/log/messages (March 8th was my
last reboot time):
Mar 8 18:38:07 gate syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel
Mar 8 18:38:07 gate kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2002 Th
Johan Vromans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:Johnny Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
:> perl-5.10.0
:> perl-library-standard-1.0
:> perl-library-ISP-1.0
:> ...
:
:Whatever approach we take, two major problems must be solved to
:accomplish this:
: 1: A perl distribution must be ab
Johnny Lam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> perl-5.10.0
> perl-library-standard-1.0
> perl-library-ISP-1.0
> ...
Whatever approach we take, two major problems must be solved to
accomplish this:
1: A perl distribution must be able to be (re)located anywhere and
use itsel
On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 06:24:14PM -0400, Forrest Aldrich wrote:
> I've experienced this same problem today; but only after installing
> 5.0-current on the system in question. It compiled fine with FreeBSD_4.5.
>
> This is a 1.2ghz Pentium with 1gb of RAM. No problems with other things
> (la
Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
> This patch simplifies the auto-negotiation in the MII/PHY code, but
> I don't have enough weird ethernet cards to test it out.
>
> Please test and if it doesn't work send me dmesg -v output and info
> on what netcard it breaks.
>
> http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/
I'm seeing this reversal:
lock order reversal
1st 0xc8b01664 DIRHASH (UMA zone) @ ../../../vm/uma_core.c:527
2nd 0xc042a724 PCPU KMAP ENTRY (UMA cpu) @ ../../../vm/uma_core.c:1301
Is this known?
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This patch simplifies the auto-negotiation in the MII/PHY code, but
I don't have enough weird ethernet cards to test it out.
Please test and if it doesn't work send me dmesg -v output and info
on what netcard it breaks.
http://phk.freebsd.dk/patch/phy00.patch
I hope to commit it this w
> I'm not sure that is acceptable. I believe that perl 5.8.0 will be
> +- 45 MB. I cannot afford to import all of that - I'd get lynched.
that is price, for example, for Unicode.
Okay, when many platforms will be doing stripping their tools, everyone
should remember where his perl programs are ab
> NetBSD (-current, at least) does not have perl in the base. OpenBSD
> has 5.6..
*NOD*
> Perhaps FreeBSD could benefit from following NetBSD, and use awk or
> whatever to replace the perl stuff for kernel build and wherever else.
We've already sorted that out for the kernel build. I'm going t
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