Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-15 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Steve Rikli wrote: > > Instead, I think there needs to be more focus on the parts of the OS > automated installation which are FreeBSD-specific and different from > the Linux Kickstart equivalents; e.g. just off the top of my head: > > - how is the FreeBSD pxe

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-14 Thread Steve Rikli
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 09:28:07AM -0800, Craig Rodrigues wrote: > > kickstart and freebsd-update are just two examples, found very quickly > after trying to set this > stuff up. freebsd-update has been around since 2006. The problem > I mentioned and workarounds have been mentioned on the web s

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-14 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Hunter Satterwhite < hsatterwh...@webassign.net> wrote: > Thanks for providing more detail Craig. > > Fair enough, but these two items are minor at best and I don't feel like > they do much in the way of supporting your previous claim. While I do > wholeheartedly a

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Royce Williams
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Joshua Smith wrote: >> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Royce Williams wrote: >> >> At Craig Rodrigues' request, I'm starting a new thread here branched >> from a freebsd-ports@ thread. For those who want more context, the >> original thread starts here: >> >> https:

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Hunter Satterwhite
Thanks for providing more detail Craig. Fair enough, but these two items are minor at best and I don't feel like they do much in the way of supporting your previous claim. While I do wholeheartedly agree with the fact that freebsd-update should "just work" it's still easy to work around. To autom

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Hunter Satterwhite < hsatterwh...@webassign.net> wrote: > Craig, > > Could you elaborate on these "problems"? Our data center is ~400 nodes and > 99% FreeBSD. We've used CFengine, we're implementing Puppet (and its going > great!), we use Ansible, and we also use l

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Hunter Satterwhite
Craig, Could you elaborate on these "problems"? Our data center is ~400 nodes and 99% FreeBSD. We've used CFengine, we're implementing Puppet (and its going great!), we use Ansible, and we also use languages such as Python, Ruby, and Google's Go. Oh and not to mention we have a RESTful application

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:14:24PM -0900, Royce Williams wrote: > But the overall project list needed to be rebalanced towards system > administration. I request that the Foundation consider this when > calling for proposals for the next round of funded projects. Royce, I agree with what you wro

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Joshua Smith
> On Jan 13, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Royce Williams wrote: > > At Craig Rodrigues' request, I'm starting a new thread here branched > from a freebsd-ports@ thread. For those who want more context, the > original thread starts here: > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2015-January/

Re: projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Craig Rodrigues
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:14:24PM -0900, Royce Williams wrote: > At face value, the main project list is heavily weighted towards > relatively esoteric OS features. The Foundation list is heavily > weighted towards advocacy and communication (as it should be). Royce, Thank you for your post and

projects to better support FreeBSD sysadmins

2015-01-13 Thread Royce Williams
At Craig Rodrigues' request, I'm starting a new thread here branched from a freebsd-ports@ thread. For those who want more context, the original thread starts here: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2015-January/097462.html It was initially about BIND REPLACE_BASE, but branched o