Dear lists,
I'm sorry for 2L8 reply though,I have transrated this thread
into japanese in [1]. I wonder if every mail transrated
correctly so please check it if you understand japanese
especially by japanese lists. BTW ML mails should be obeyed
by FreeBSD Copyright but it's derivative work would b
Hi,
I'm working on adding some more power management logging support to
freebsd-head so we can start to get a better grip on sleep/wakeup
occurances. That should help us start to figure out where the power
consumption is going.
But on that EEEPC 900, just make sure you've set dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall escribió:
>
> Just a small note here: Improving power management is something that the Core
> Team and the Foundation have jointly identified as an important goal, in
> particular for mobile / embedded scenarios. We're curre
es or at least a
> fast
> compatibility layer to play the big ones out there now.
>
> Bottom line, make it fun and make it compatible. The lower price will
> attract plenty of customers. As long as they allow us die hards to install
> a text only system we're good :-)
>
&g
n Behalf Of Stephen Perry
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 10:18 AM
To: 'Allen'
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Leaving the Desktop Market
> > > There is no such thing as a desktop market for *BSD or Linux.
> > > There n
> > > There is no such thing as a desktop market for *BSD or Linux. There
> > > never has been and there never will be.
>
> Oh come on now, it depends on a couple of things, and I wouldn't go that
far.
> I've got a lot of family members that know next to nothing about
computers,
> and I got tired
Hi, before I go any farther, I just want to point out that I currently can
only really send emails from my phone because Comcast are jerks. So I'm
Hoping that basically this email will be displayed properly. I'm using
AquaMail, which seems to work pretty well but I haven't been active on
these
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 08:38:28AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
> > top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying
> > to idle the processor whenev
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 03:10:22PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> FreeBSD desktop since 3.3 (makes me a newbie!) I really dislike pulseaudio
> and have managed to live without it. Firefox works fine without it.
> Unfortunately they dropped OSS support a while go, so I now must use alsa,
> but it wor
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:24 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
>
>> This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
>> car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
>> at what's happening right now in the auto-in
On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:10:22 -0700
Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > > No, mutt, with vim as mail composer. :)
> >
> > +1
> >
> > matthias
> >
> > (FreeBSD since 2.2.5 and sending this from an EeePC 900,
> > netbook, UMTS connected, KDE4 desktop, sound, webcam, vim, mutt,
> >
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
> This is like trying to predict automobile technology and dominant
> car-makers by 1905. There's always room for competition. Take a look
> at what's happening right now in the auto-industry. Tesla came out of
> nowhere 125 years after the invent
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
> [ … ]
> It’s just like being back in the 80s, when Unix had a desktop market, only
> much, much faster.
Worry not, there’s a product just for you now!
http://www.macs
On Apr 1, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Person, Roderick wrote:
> Why aren't all the nerds and small businesses out there a market?
Too few of you to justify the capital outlay. Now, if we were talking about a
$1500 watch that was very nerdy and appealed to the inner James Bond in lots of
non-nerds, t
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 10:22:32AM +0100, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman wrote:
>
> > Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
> > my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
> > a bit ugly,but I only
On 1 Apr 2014, at 23:10, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> Audio output is pretty system dependent, but I had little problem getting
> my audio to auto-switch to headphones when I plugged them in. The setup is
> a bit ugly,but I only had to check the available PINs (ugly, ugly) and set
> up stuff once. It j
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote:
> Eitan,
>
> While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since
> FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa.
>
> While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for
> normal
>
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió:
> > > > > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> > > > > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the
> > [snip]
> >
> > > I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There
On Tue, April 1, 2014 11:59 am, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
That is why on this date I propose that w
> -Original Message-
>> From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On
>> Behalf Of Randi Harper
>>
>>You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
>>going to step
>> up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop!
Hi all,
I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5
now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email.
Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a
tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned i
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard
> wrote:
> >
> > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> >
> >> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> >> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to
sd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
> > advoc...@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > >
> > > On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> > >
> >
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>
>> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
>> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
>> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of
>
> On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
>> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a
>> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
-Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper
>
>You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are
>going to step up and say "Well, I run FreeBSD on my >desktop! It's totally
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno wrote:
> Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this
> happy Mac user:
>
> http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg
I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them.
I recently installed Fr
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
>
> There is no such thing as a desktop market for *BSD or Linux. There never
> has been and there never will be.
Oh, god. I'm going to wake up for this mailing list just to say this:
You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Beca
> -Original Message-
> From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM
> To: Jordan Hubbard
> Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
> advoc...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Marke
Sorry,
should have replied to everybody ;)
Cheers
-- Forwarded Message --
Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market
Date: Tuesday 01 April 2014, 17:34:28
From: Stefan Wendler
To: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org
Hi,
On Monday 31 March 2014 22:46:45 Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can be a
> worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop.
> In shor
> -Original Message-
> From: Eitan Adler [mailto:li...@eitanadler.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 PM
> To: hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-
> advoc...@freebsd.org
> Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market
>
> Hi all,
>
> Some
educational experience. While FreeBSD
> can be coerced to do the right thing, it is rarely there by default
> and often doesn't work as well as we would expect.
Ha, ha, ha. Reminds me of the long running 04-01 gag stating that
kernel.org ran on FreeBSD.
As to "Leaving the Desktop
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
> and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
> be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
> desktop. In sho
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>
> > That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> > desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
> > desktop" and start to rip out
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete
> top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to
> idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to optimize
> all of the hot-
Hi,
On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educatio
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the
> desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be "year of the Linux
> desktop" and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for
> server or embedded use.
>
> Some of y
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational
On 4/1/14, 1:46 PM, Eitan Adler wrote:
Hi all
Hey it's not an apr 1 joke if it's true..
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Hi all,
Some of you may have seen my posts entitled "Story of a Laptop User"
and "Story of a Desktop User". For those of you who did not, it can
be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a
desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD
can be coerced
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