Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Van Canneyt
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Joseph Montanez wrote: Okay, Since there hasn't been a clear response on this I've started my own website, to start documenting more of the use of each library. However doing so I am finding some clear issues, and that is some of these units are not finished all the way.

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-27 Thread Florian Klaempfl
David Emerson schrieb: > I'm far more comfortable using git than svn, and if there was such a repo it > would help lower the barrier to entry for me at least. I created a mercurial mirror: http://florianklaempfl.de:8000/fpcdocs/ ___ fpc-pascal maillis

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 April 2010 04:39, Joseph Montanez wrote: > > Spent another hour making a pretty example, found out there was no CSS > file generated, and made my own: > http://www.gorilla3d.com/fpdoc/animal/tanimal.talk.html Nice. I reported the missing CSS file issue years ago. I thought it was fixed - I

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-27 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 April 2010 02:00, John wrote: >> > I think you missed my point.  I don't need 'new developer' documentation for > OOP.  What I can't understand is how the documentation system itself works, > ie, how to go about using it to contribute documentation. * Download 'fpdoc.pdf' or 'fpdoc.ps' and

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-27 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Joseph Montanez said: > I just spent 2 hours on FPDoc's trying to get how to use it. Automatic > documentation was dead easy but the whole XML integration part was a > nightmare, so I gave up reading the docs on how to use the doc. > Instead I figure "Hey there must be exam

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Joseph Montanez
I just spent 2 hours on FPDoc's trying to get how to use it. Automatic documentation was dead easy but the whole XML integration part was a nightmare, so I gave up reading the docs on how to use the doc. Instead I figure "Hey there must be examples of this right?" ... *digs through source* ... 5 mi

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread John
On 26/04/2010 11:52 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: ... John het geskryf: On the other hand, Joseph has a point - I have worked out most bits of FPC over the course of a few years, but Granted that the bulk of FPC's documentation is simply Class or API documentation. A more "new developer" fri

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 27 April 2010 00:51, David Emerson wrote: > > I'm far more comfortable using git than svn Me too, and it didn't take long either. > Graeme, I have to ask... on the one hand, you noted that having fragmented > documentations over various locations is unhelpful; and on the other hand, > I've >

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread David Emerson
On Mon 26 Apr 2010, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > Florian Klaempfl het geskryf: > > > > No git mirror ;)? I think the docs are one of the fpc related > > repositories where using a dvcs might be useful. > > Apparently I am banned for life mentioning the "product that may not be > named" in FPC or L

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Florian Klaempfl het geskryf: > > No git mirror ;)? I think the docs are one of the fpc related > repositories where using a dvcs might be useful. Apparently I am banned for life mentioning the "product that may not be named" in FPC or Lazarus mailing lists. :-) As for moving to such a DVCS...

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
John het geskryf: > > On the one hand, Graeme is probably right, in that putting it in the > docs is the *best* thing to do. Definately! > On the other hand, Joseph has a point - > I have worked out most bits of FPC over the course of a few years, but Granted that the bulk of FPC's docu

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
Joseph Montanez het geskryf: > > The language itself is even worst, this is the biggest pitfall of > Pascal in general. I can't tell you how hard it is to find anything on > google, and I do mean anything. Free Pascal is based on Delphi's Object Pascal language. There are lots of documentation fo

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Florian Klaempfl
> But does this mean you have decided to pursue GIT if there is a DVCS to be > used at all? No. Git was just an example. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Florian Klaempfl said: > > I would suggest you checkout the latest copy of the documentation > > SubVersion repository: > > > >http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/fpcdocs/trunk > > No git mirror ;)? I think the docs are one of the fpc related > repositories where using a d

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-26 Thread Florian Klaempfl
I would suggest you checkout the latest copy of the documentation SubVersion repository: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/fpcdocs/trunk No git mirror ;)? I think the docs are one of the fpc related repositories where using a dvcs might be useful. The entry barrier to make changes is a lot low

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-25 Thread John
On 26/04/2010 8:23 AM, Joseph Montanez wrote: I would suggest you checkout the latest copy of the documentation SubVersion repository: http://svn.freepascal.org/svn/fpcdocs/trunk Then submit code examples for the various units. Are you seriously want everyone that wants to help out b

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-25 Thread Joseph Montanez
> I don't see a benefit in having fragmented documentation over various > websites and locations. This makes it near impossible for a end-user to find > help. The language itself is even worst, this is the biggest pitfall of Pascal in general. I can't tell you how hard it is to find anything on

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-25 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 25 April 2010 21:48, Joseph Montanez wrote: > Since there hasn't been a clear response on this I've started my own > website, to start documenting more of the use of each library. The class documentation generated by fpdoc has support for examples. FPC's policy is to only publish documentation

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-25 Thread Joseph Montanez
Okay, Since there hasn't been a clear response on this I've started my own website, to start documenting more of the use of each library. However doing so I am finding some clear issues, and that is some of these units are not finished all the way. Is there some list of missing functionality somew

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-22 Thread Thierry Coq
Joseph, Vincent, <+1> Add me to the list here. I also offer to help, especially for writing UML diagrams to help people visualize, including use cases, class diagrams and scenarios. Every component I publish has unit testing and UML diagrams, if only a few. Thierry _

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-22 Thread Joseph Montanez
Vincent, Never even knew that existed. It is a big problem with just slapping commenting ability to docs. If its not being used its because there isn't incentive for it. When you see the entire documentation blank of comments would you be so inclined to add it? Documentation is so important and as

Re: [fpc-pascal] State of FPC docs.rant

2010-04-22 Thread Vincent Snijders
Joseph Montanez schreef: In the end I think automated documentation is bad, and thats really what I see with the current state of FPC docs. It might allow better ability to stay sync with the current release but not allowing _easy_ social interaction to expand those docs, I think it is a big mi