Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.04.2013 15:14, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: On 02/04/2013 13:32, Lukasz Sokol wrote: On 02/04/2013 13:18, Sven Barth wrote: Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you pl

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-04-02 Thread Sven Barth
Am 02.04.2013 11:03, schrieb Lukasz Sokol: [case in point: the try...[except]...[finally]...[except]...end; I wrote about some time before] Which reminds me: would you please be so kind to create a feature request for this, so it won't be forgotten? Regards, Sven _

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-30 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 11:20, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity is a prerequisite to clarity? Why do you think nobody is writing text in stenography? It would be much less text to write. But we use "standard" lan

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-30 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2013-03-29 11:20, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity is a prerequisite to clarity? Why do you think nobody is writing text in stenography? It would be much less text to write. But we use "standard" languages which have a lot

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marcos Douglas
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: > > Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: > >> We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no >> matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... > > But that's not the point here. The problem has

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
leledumbo wrote: I, for one, see absolutely nothing wrong with += etc. since it's an unambiguous idiom which came into use decades ago and is now almost universally understood. I see one: compatibility with other compilers, though I exclusively use FPC, some people in groups I'm involved in as

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: > > We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no > > matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... > > What is it about Pascal programmers and their assumption that verbosity > is a prerequisite to cla

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
Am 29.03.2013 11:21 schrieb "Mark Morgan Lloyd" < markmll.fpc-pas...@telemetry.co.uk>: > I, for one, see absolutely nothing wrong with += etc. since it's an unambiguous idiom which came into use decades ago and is now almost universally understood. Things like ptr++ or Inc(ptr) are far more pernici

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
Am 29.03.2013 10:53 schrieb "Jürgen Hestermann" : > > > Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: > >> We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... > > But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing t

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 29 Mar 2013, at 10:53, Jürgen Hestermann wrote: Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing to do w

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 29.03.2013 11:27, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > On Friday 29 March 2013 10:53:04 Jürgen Hestermann wrote: >> Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: >>> We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no >>> matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... >>

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Friday 29 March 2013 10:53:04 Jürgen Hestermann wrote: > Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: > > We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no > > matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... > > But that's not the point here. The problem has no

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Sven Barth wrote: If only I'm the core dev, I would mark the C operator feature as deprecated and remove it in the next major version. [Note: No personal attack intended with the next sentence] In that case I think we are lucky that you aren't a core dev :P We value backwards compatiblity ve

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
Am 2013-03-29 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it, no matter whether these c-like operators are considered good or bad... But that's not the point here. The problem has nothing to do with backward compatibility. Just the opposite. If you

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Florian Kl?mpfl said: > >> and remove it in the next major version. > > > > [Note: No personal attack intended with the next sentence] In that case > > I think we are lucky that you aren't a core dev :P > > We value backwards compatiblity very high and this is part of it,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Florian Klämpfl
Am 29.03.2013 10:35, schrieb Sven Barth: > On 29.03.2013 02:21, leledumbo wrote: >>> Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) >> >> NEVER turn it on for me :-) > > If you use a compiler without a preset fpc.cfg than it's disabled by > default. It needs to be switched on using "-Sc" or

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-29 Thread Sven Barth
On 29.03.2013 02:21, leledumbo wrote: Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If you use a compiler without a preset fpc.cfg than it's disabled by default. It needs to be switched on using "-Sc" or "{$COPERATORS ON}". If only I'm the core dev, I w

Re: [fpc-pascal] Re: Feature proposal: function-based assignment operatorst

2013-03-28 Thread M Pulis
Same here. M On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:21 PM, leledumbo wrote: Good point. So to be consistent, don't turn it on :-) NEVER turn it on for me :-) If only I'm the core dev, I would mark the C operator feature as deprecated and remove it in the next major version. -- View this message in contex