Prince Riley schreef:
Wasn't this thread supposed to be continued on fpc-other? If you are
ignorant: http://www.hu.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-other/
Vincent
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Dariusz Mazur wrote:
> Prince Riley pisze:
>
>> Since the discussion in this thread has advanced pretty far along toward
>> recommending a FP and Powtils solution to you, then it appears you have a
>> technical answer from the group you can explore.
>>
>> However,
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Michael Van Canneyt
wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Prince Riley wrote:
>
> > Joost
> >
> > Reading the responses on this discussion thread, it appears the
> 'religious
> > war' you mentioned in your prior post was unavoidable.
> >
> > Not to add any fuel to the wa
Michael Van Canneyt pisze:
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dariusz Mazur wrote:
I've heard all this before since 10 years, and it is only true for small
applets used by a broad public.
For large applications (1500+ windows) that stay open virtually all day
and are used by a specialized public, the bene
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dariusz Mazur wrote:
>
> > I've heard all this before since 10 years, and it is only true for small
> > applets used by a broad public.
> >
> > For large applications (1500+ windows) that stay open virtually all day
> > and are used by a specialized public, the benefits of w
Prince Riley pisze:
Since the discussion in this thread has advanced pretty far along
toward recommending a FP and Powtils solution to you, then it appears
you have a technical answer from the group you can explore.
However, without suggesting there is a bias in favor of a specific
client-cen
I've heard all this before since 10 years, and it is only true for small
applets used by a broad public.
For large applications (1500+ windows) that stay open virtually all day
and are used by a specialized public, the benefits of web-based are zero,
and are even contraproductive.
I've made t
Hello Francisco,
I use the following for my applications:
- synapse with visualsynapse ( I modified visualsynapse to perform
Keep-Alive http connections)
- HaXe/Neko for remoting (www.haxe.org) - very easy to use ! same
language for client/ server/ flash
I have created a pascal framework for emb
Joost van der Sluis wrote on wo, 04 mrt 2009:
Now imagine that all efforts that has been put in developing ajax-like
technologies were put in building a good web-based distribution system.
something like: "click here to run this program on your desktop" and
then build a safe environment on the d
Op dinsdag 03-03-2009 om 14:50 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Andrew
Brunner:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
> >
> > If users use the application constantly, don't use a web-application.
> >
> > So the things explained in this document from IBM is usefull for very
> >
Op dinsdag 03-03-2009 om 16:17 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Prince
Riley:
> Reading the responses on this discussion thread, it appears the
> 'religious war' you mentioned in your prior post was unavoidable.
Tha wasn't my comment. But now I realise that it was me that started
this... What have I
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Bee wrote:
> > Web apps: by all means, but not for every possible scenario...
>
> Exactly! I believe all web app developers realize that web-based app
> is never meant to do *every* scenarios. But, there are some cases
> which web app suit the scenario very well, in some cas
> Well, drop by and I'll prove to you - hands down - that what our clients need
> simply cannot be done by web applications, because they cannot interact with
> the local desktop. Can your web-app burn a CD-ROM ? Does it have access to
> a smartcard reader ? Can it start and control MS-Word ? Can y
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Bee wrote:
> > Yes, and they are nearly all slow, cumbersome and unresponsive. They are
> > typical of companies that say "this is easier for me. I don't care whether
> > you like using it or not, you are going to have to use it if you want to
> > deal with us, and anyway eve
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Prince Riley wrote:
> Joost
>
> Reading the responses on this discussion thread, it appears the 'religious
> war' you mentioned in your prior post was unavoidable.
>
> Not to add any fuel to the warring opinions I'd like answer a comment you
> made in response to my respon
> Yes, and they are nearly all slow, cumbersome and unresponsive. They are
> typical of companies that say "this is easier for me. I don't care whether
> you like using it or not, you are going to have to use it if you want to
> deal with us, and anyway everyone else has web apps that are just as b
Bee wrote:
I've heard all this before since 10 years, and it is only true for small
applets used by a broad public.
10 years ago, people was just talking about it. Today, they're doing
it. C'mon, look around, there are thousands of complex applications
provided on the web. No
> Again, not a major issue, since testing needs done on all the given
> platforms anyhow, but I just liked the write once, run anywhere approach.
If you really need that, despite you said it's not a major issue, then
you should consider other solutions. FPC is simply not for the
purpose. FPC is ab
> I've heard all this before since 10 years, and it is only true for small
> applets used by a broad public.
10 years ago, people was just talking about it. Today, they're doing
it. C'mon, look around, there are thousands of complex applications
provided on the web. Not to mention, web-based appli
I used to be on your side a few years ago, Joost. But now I can fully
understand why many people start to migrating to web based
applications. Especially when your application is used round across
the globe or across the nation.
> But the key point in this is that people forget that javascript-pro
But what irie pascal offers is the ability to compile my code once,
then execute it on any of the supported platforms.
Fpc can't do that.
It's really a matter of preference, I know, but it's kind of a moot
point, since Stewart King has clearly stated there is no intent to
support osx, and si
Joost
Reading the responses on this discussion thread, it appears the 'religious
war' you mentioned in your prior post was unavoidable.
Not to add any fuel to the warring opinions I'd like answer a comment you
made in response to my response.
The recent push to make web applications (not simply
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Michael Van Canneyt
wrote:
> To prove my point I once did performance tests with AJAX, SOAP and whatnot
> technologies when compared to a specialized C/S protocol. In general the
> conclusion was that SOAP and standards-based applications worked 6 times
> slower. A
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Andrew Brunner wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
> >
> > If users use the application constantly, don't use a web-application.
> >
> > So the things explained in this document from IBM is usefull for very
> > large systems which a lot of use
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Joost van der Sluis wrote:
>
> If users use the application constantly, don't use a web-application.
>
> So the things explained in this document from IBM is usefull for very
> large systems which a lot of users (Like Amazon, but they also don't
> like the idea of a
Op dinsdag 03-03-2009 om 12:30 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Prince
Riley:
> Primarily the reason why is -- especially for DB web applications --
> is efficiency, maintainability, and scalability. The recent major
> efforts by Mozilla, Google, and others to improve the performance of
> browser Jav
One further point in this thread ... As a starting point in your thinking
thru the design choices, here is a fairly complete but accessible article on
the topic you might find helpful
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/wa-ajaxarch/index.html
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Prince R
Since the discussion in this thread has advanced pretty far along toward
recommending a FP and Powtils solution to you, then it appears you have a
technical answer from the group you can explore.
However, without suggesting there is a bias in favor of a specific
client-centric vs server-centric we
Op maandag 02-03-2009 om 16:20 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Francisco
Reyes:
> Marco van de Voort writes:
>
> > Sorry, old name, nowadays it is fcl-web. See packages/
>
> Don't see it at
> http://www.freepascal.org/packages
>
> Is there where I should look?
It's part of the fcl, in Lazarus you
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Andreas Berger
wrote:
> I'm interested to know why no one mentioned powtils yet (other than the
> original poster).
I might be a bit late, but I just gave some comments on Powtils. :-)
> I also am looking into writing a fairly complex CGI
> program and powtils see
On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Francisco Reyes wrote:
> Any recommendations on which library to use to create web enabled FPC apps?
We have 4 applications in our company based on FPC + Powtils to
generate standard CGI apps and so far it's working very well. Powtils
also has some nice features li
>
> Not fpc related, but irie pascal (http://www.irietools.com) has a pascal
> that is cross platform, and does handle web support quite well.
It's more or less similar to Powtils. I don't see any good reasons to use it
while there are many CGI units available for FPC. Using Powtils, you don't
ne
>
> So far I found
> embeddable webserver
> http://www.eilers.net/pascal
> Site doesn't have much info
Never use custom embedded web server though it's not hard to build one.
> Synapse
> http://www.ararat.cz/synapse/doku.php
> Seems very low level.
It looks more a TCP/IP suite classes to me.
I'm interested to know why no one mentioned powtils yet (other than the
original poster). I also am looking into writing a fairly complex CGI
program and powtils seems very promising. And comments?
Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Francisco Reyes said:
Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Francisco Reyes said:
> Marco van de Voort writes:
>
> > Sorry, old name, nowadays it is fcl-web. See packages/
>
> Don't see it at
> http://www.freepascal.org/packages
> Is there where I should look?
In the source.
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Marco van de Voort writes:
Sorry, old name, nowadays it is fcl-web. See packages/
Don't see it at
http://www.freepascal.org/packages
Is there where I should look?
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Prince Riley writes:
Finally, give the advance from CGI based web apps to Web 2.0 (Javascript
running in the browser) is there a design rational for running code on the
server instead of in the web browser.
I think that is almost a religious war type of discussion...
Short answer (as it appli
Travis Siegel writes:
Not fpc related, but irie pascal (http://www.irietools.com) has a
pascal that is cross platform, and does handle web support quite well.
No Postgresql support listed... still seems pretty interesting.
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In our previous episode, Mark Emerson said:
> What is fpweb?
Sorry, old name, nowadays it is fcl-web. See packages/
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On Monday 02 March 2009 12:37:36 pm Marco van de Voort wrote:
> In our previous episode, Travis Siegel said:
> > Fpc is cross platform I know, but as far as I know, it's not optomized
> > for cgi execution like irie pascal is.
>
> Interesting. Could you share your evaluation/compari
In our previous episode, Travis Siegel said:
> Fpc is cross platform I know, but as far as I know, it's not optomized
> for cgi execution like irie pascal is.
Interesting. Could you share your evaluation/comparison details? Maybe the
people working on fpweb could learn something from it.
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Travis,
I am joining this discussion fairly late so if you've found your solution
already please ignore this post.
First, upon reading you feel Irie Pascal is 'optimized' for CGI execution on
OSX (Leopard?) my first question is how are you defining that. I've looked
over the Irie code just now (u
Not fpc related, but irie pascal (http://www.irietools.com) has a
pascal that is cross platform, and does handle web support quite well.
My attempts to get him to support osx has fallen flat, but dos,
windows, bsd, solaris (I think) and other distributions are supported,
so it may do what you
In our previous episode, Francisco Reyes said:
> > It was based on the eliza example iirc.
>
> URL/source?
http://www.indyproject.org there is stuff about indy in the wiki too.
> Is the easiest way to go using FPC + apache with CGI?
Depends. For me that was not the easiest way, since the web p
Marco van de Voort writes:
It was based on the eliza example iirc.
URL/source?
Is the easiest way to go using FPC + apache with CGI?
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In our previous episode, Francisco Reyes said:
> Have found a few libraries and wonder if anyone has had good success with
> any of these or otheres.
In the past I've had an Indy9 httpserver + ssl running. That was under
Delphi, but parts of that I also had running (with indy10) under
FreeBSD/32-
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