Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-28 Thread Frank Peelo
Prince Riley wrote: Hello Frank, If my past post was unclear as to whether I think the constant 'nil' is an address, then let me be clear. I quoted the Borland Object Pascal's statement nil 'does not reference anything' I was not equating it to a zero address value. While a pointer with a '

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 27 May 2009, at 19:26, Prince Riley wrote: p := p + nil; is INVALID (expression is valid, operands valid but result is invalid) -- execution error, execution addressing exception This will always be invalid regardless of how nil is handled, because you cannot add two pointers togethe

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread Prince Riley
Hello Frank, If my past post was unclear as to whether I think the constant 'nil' is an address, then let me be clear. I quoted the Borland Object Pascal's statement nil 'does not reference anything' I was not equating it to a zero address value. While a pointer with a 'zero' address value shoul

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread Frank Peelo
JoshyFun wrote: Hello Frank, Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:49:26 PM, you wrote: FP> But I'm more puzzled by what it would /mean/. In spite of your bracketed FP> comment here, you seem to be thinking that nil is an address: i.e. FP> adding/subtracting/multiplying a literal would mean something. I'm

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread Jürgen Hestermann
From my point of view nil is like the infinite in mathematics, so it is not range bounded and operations like nil+1 are impossible, or in the worst case equal to nil again. Once you assigned nil to a pointer the value becomes in range so it can be operated as usual. Yes, doing arithmetics with N

Re[2]: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread JoshyFun
Hello Frank, Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:49:26 PM, you wrote: FP> But I'm more puzzled by what it would /mean/. In spite of your bracketed FP> comment here, you seem to be thinking that nil is an address: i.e. FP> adding/subtracting/multiplying a literal would mean something. I'm just FP> pointing

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-27 Thread Frank Peelo
Prince Riley wrote: Frank, I think the crux of the matter here is how to make the distinction between a pointer with 'no value' and one that is initialized or set to the 'lowest possible value in the range'. The quote I mentioned comes directly from Borland's Object Pascal Langage Manual

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Prince Riley
Frank, I think the crux of the matter here is how to make the distinction between a pointer with 'no value' and one that is initialized or set to the 'lowest possible value in the range'. The quote I mentioned comes directly from Borland's Object Pascal Langage Manual You can check on this, but

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Frank Peelo
Prince Riley wrote: Hello, I had a chance to go to a reference and check on what the reserved word 'nil' , a special constant, seems to mean. According to the Object Pascal manual (Borland) ... "The reserved word nil is a special constant that can be assigned to any pointer. When nil is ass

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread John Coppens
On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:09:44 + Prince Riley wrote: > Type checking for valid > pointer arithmetic and the difference between a 'null' or empty pointer > and one that has the lowest value of it's type. Maybe the use of 'nil' in an expression should not be allowed at all (except comparisons).

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Prince Riley
Jonas Thank you Jonas, for clearing that up. I agree. You have more courage than I my friend to say that, for down that path lies monsters. For while I must agree with your point, in theory it raises a bigger concern. The 'nil' for a pointer constant is problematic in two ways. Fixing this 'bug

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 25 May 2009, at 22:39, Prince Riley wrote: That's a very interesting answer. So am I understanding you to say that the expression of the form var := constant + numeric literal ; is an invalid expression (syntax) in Object Pascal? No, I meant that there was a bug (error) in the compiler

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Prince Riley
Jonas, Thanks for the reply. That's a very interesting answer. So am I understanding you to say that the expression of the form var := constant + numeric literal ; is an invalid expression (syntax) in Object Pascal? Why would the expression adding a numeric literal and a numeric constant creat

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Prince Riley
Hello, I had a chance to go to a reference and check on what the reserved word 'nil' , a special constant, seems to mean. According to the Object Pascal manual (Borland) ... "The reserved word nil is a special constant that can be assigned to any pointer. When nil is assigned to a pointer, the po

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 25 May 2009, at 19:48, Prince Riley wrote: There seems to be a bigger issue on this... but perhaps someone else confirm that the following programs, similar to the failing one, work. That's because the error was in the constant evaluation (nil and 1 are both constants). Jonas __

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-25 Thread Prince Riley
Hello, There seems to be a bigger issue on this... but perhaps someone else confirm that the following programs, similar to the failing one, work. program test1; var p: Pointer; begin p := nil; p := p + 1; end. Does work and the following program program test2; var

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-24 Thread Joost van der Sluis
Op zondag 24-05-2009 om 23:14 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Aleksa Todorovic: > Hi, all! > > I've just tried to compile some of my old Pascal code, and got IE > 200307043. I've tried both 2.2.4 and svn trunk versions. Simple > program to generate it: > > program test; > var > p: Pointer; > begi

Re: [fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-24 Thread Jonas Maebe
On 24 May 2009, at 23:14, Aleksa Todorovic wrote: I couldn't find issue about this in bug tracker, should I report it? Yes, please. Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-

[fpc-pascal] IE 200307043

2009-05-24 Thread Aleksa Todorovic
Hi, all! I've just tried to compile some of my old Pascal code, and got IE 200307043. I've tried both 2.2.4 and svn trunk versions. Simple program to generate it: program test; var p: Pointer; begin p := nil + 1; end. I couldn't find issue about this in bug tracker, should I report it? Bes