Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Wols Lists via fpc-pascal
On 29/12/2022 15:43, wkitty42--- via fpc-pascal wrote: turned out they were doing basic SQL queries for these reports to get "views" of the data that wasn't available in the specific reports i had been tasked to write... things were headed into a more "freeform" format... they basically needed

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Dwight Schauer via fpc-pascal
On 12/29/22 09:53, Adriaan van Os via fpc-pascal wrote: Modern mathematics education tries to teach by showing graphs and pictures, instead of formulas and proofs. But, by doing so, it misses the most important point — that mathematics is about abstract thinking. You will never get around the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Adriaan van Os via fpc-pascal
Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal wrote: Hi guys, I had a new idea for an interface design to help people who either are not into programming yet or have only used a language other than Free Pascal. Please see this draft Introduction to Free Pascal web page I posted this morning. Well, I still

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Rainer Stratmann via fpc-pascal
Am Donnerstag, 29. Dezember 2022, 15:02:41 CET schrieb DougC via fpc-pascal: > The response has been made that the example code in the tutorial is more > complicated than it should be. The installation process (in my case Linux) should be easy as well. For beginners that is at least as important a

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread wkitty42--- via fpc-pascal
On 12/29/22 6:40 AM, Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal wrote: I also had to learn that there are programmers that have not seen a single SQL statement in their life :) i remember working on an inventory program using FoxBase from before m$ acquired it... i laid out the databases (now called t

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal
@wols "Apologies for throwing my two-pennorth in as well, but PLEASE QUOTE WHAT YOU'RE REPLYING TO." I am unsure if you are replying to me, but believe I did use quotes along with the names. @richters "I apologize to Anthony and everyone on the list for getting too carried away." There is no n

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread James Richters via fpc-pascal
>Well, this discussion has not gone well at all! I agree >I suggest that everyone relax and discontinue pursuing it. I apologize to Anthony and everyone on the list for getting too carried away. James ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.free

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread DougC via fpc-pascal
Well, this discussion has not gone well at all! I suggest that everyone relax and discontinue pursuing it. The response has been made that the example code in the tutorial is more complicated than it should be. Digressions on SQL and databases are not relevant. Nor are comments on grammar.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Wols Lists via fpc-pascal
On 29/12/2022 13:34, Tomas Hajny via fpc-pascal wrote: On 29 December 2022 13:31:57 +0100, Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal wrote: Hello Anthony, . . I suggest you either brush up on these subjects or refrain from scolding people on subjects with which you have no practical experience. Yo

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Tomas Hajny via fpc-pascal
On 29 December 2022 13:31:57 +0100, Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal wrote: Hello Anthony, . . >I suggest you either brush up on these subjects or refrain from scolding >people on subjects with which you have no practical experience. You asked for feedback and you got it. Please, stop attacking

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal
@youngman "I'm a database guy with maybe 30 years experience, I'm new to SQL and oh my god is it an over-complicated monster ..." Wait, what? Something doesn't make sense with what you said. You have 30 years of experience writing database programming code AND you are just now beginning to learn

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Michael Van Canneyt via fpc-pascal
On Thu, 29 Dec 2022, James Richters via fpc-pascal wrote: It shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has been programming for decades. To be an effective writer, you need to forget everything you know, and consider who the typical reader is and put yourself in their place and then evaluate wh

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread James Richters via fpc-pascal
>It shouldn't be confusing to anyone who has been programming for decades. It is very confusing if you never had a need for any kind of database.. which I do not…. And neither do many other programmers. Databases are only a very small part of what people use computers for, and only a very small

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Anthony Youngman via fpc-pascal
On 29/12/2022 05:15, Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal wrote: I think most people can quickly figure out that SQL is a programming language that is used to manage data stored in relational databases. It is a relatively easy language to learn and use, especially for people with a basic understanding

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Thomas Young via fpc-pascal
I’ve found firebase to be one of the easiest databases to wrap my mind around. https://firebase.google.com https://blogs.embarcadero.com/quick-and-easy-way-to-integrate-firebase-into-your-delphi-apps/ Thomas Young Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2022, at 12:16 AM, Anthony Walter via fpc-pascal

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread James Richters via fpc-pascal
“James, when you raised these questions are you saying that you don't know, or that someone who doesn't know much if anything about programming doesn't know” The point I was trying to make is that most of this is gobbely gook to me. So I went looking for something I could recognize.. and I sa

Re: [fpc-pascal] Working on a new way to educate people about pascal

2022-12-29 Thread Dwight Schauer via fpc-pascal
On 12/28/22 06:01, Hairy Pixels via fpc-pascal wrote: On Dec 28, 2022, at 4:45 PM, wkitty42--- via fpc-pascal wrote: like james, i also have like 40-45 years programming experience... 99% of my stuff is still text mode tools and apps... GUI stuff has just never made sense to me... Just c