Marc Santhoff wrote:
Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 22:50 +0200 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
2009/10/15 Marc Santhoff :
is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
somewhere?
...
If you have fun fiddling with those tools some good starting points are:
http://catalog.
Am Freitag, den 16.10.2009, 22:50 +0200 schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys:
> 2009/10/15 Marc Santhoff :
> >
> > is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
> > somewhere?
>
> About 2 weeks ago, I had no clue what BNF was. Funny that you mention
> it, because I am working on a La
2009/10/16 Jeff Wormsley :
>
> Its also a manpower issue, and the number one reason I make my living
> writing C nowadays rather than Pascal. You can post an ad for a C
> programmer and get 1,000 applicants, if you post an ad for a Pascal
Any programmer worth hiring should find it relatively easy
2009/10/15 Marc Santhoff :
>
> is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
> somewhere?
About 2 weeks ago, I had no clue what BNF was. Funny that you mention
it, because I am working on a LaTeX converter to IPF. I was google'ing
for a BNF for LaTeX, as a starting point.
In our previous episode, Alain Michaud said:
> Are they based on the C library "maloc" or entirely genuine FPC code?
FPC code, but you can change to "malloc", by using unit cmem (only on *nix)
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How about creating a "Holy War" page at the freepascal wiki and moving
all notes from this thread there?
The page can be become a good source of arguments in all kind of
Pascal vs C (or any other language) battles :)
As well as good historical notes about pascal language.
thanks,
dmitry
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"Jürgen Hestermann" :
> > You can post an ad for a C
> > programmer and get 1,000 applicants, if you post an ad for a Pascal
> > programmer you might get 5, at least where I live.
Yes, and guess what: Odds are that there are more than 5 good ones out of the
1000 C-programmers than a single goo
Am Donnerstag, den 15.10.2009, 23:58 -0700 schrieb leledumbo:
> > is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
> > somewhere?
> >
> > I searched the website and the wiki, to no avail.
>
> AFAIK, there's none. The developers adding language features by directly
> modifyin
Are they based on the C library "maloc" or entirely genuine FPC code?
Alain Michaud
Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb:
Hi,
Which of these should I use in new projects? I read somewhere that
GetMem/FreeMem is actually compatibility methods from Turbo Pascal
days, yet I have se
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:58 AM, leledumbo wrote:
> AFAIK, there's none. The developers adding language features by directly
> modifying the code. Even there's a bounty for it. See:
> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Bounties#FPC_grammar
I contacted the person that posted the bounty but he didn
mar...@stack.nl:
> The reason is probably more because Wirthian languages traditionally use
> recursive descent parsers.
Yeah, right.
The reason is most definitely that of all those people who know the language
well enough to write the grammar, there's no one actually doing it.
Of course, with
2009/10/16 Marco van de Voort :
> In our previous episode, Jürgen Hestermann said:
>> > You can post an ad for a C
>> > programmer and get 1,000 applicants, if you post an ad for a Pascal
>> > programmer you might get 5, at least where I live.
>>
>> Yes, that maybe true. But how has all this starte
In our previous episode, J?rgen Hestermann said:
> > You can post an ad for a C
> > programmer and get 1,000 applicants, if you post an ad for a Pascal
> > programmer you might get 5, at least where I live.
>
> Yes, that maybe true. But how has all this started? As far as I know, C
> was not
If memory serves... Microsoft for first few version of DOS used
assembler. This proved expensive for Microsoft as the number of
people willing to program in intel assembler was quite limited.
Microsoft kept hearing about this C programming language which
students at MS were talking about
You can post an ad for a C
programmer and get 1,000 applicants, if you post an ad for a Pascal
programmer you might get 5, at least where I live.
Yes, that maybe true. But how has all this started? As far as I know, C
was not that popular in past (at least not on Windows). Instead (Turbo)
P
Now have proper version of MySQL on machine
Thank you all for help. Compiles and mostly runs :)
On 2009-10-16, at 9:21 AM, Jonas Maebe wrote:
On 16 Oct 2009, at 15:12, Paul Davidson wrote:
Ok, 32 bit universal it is!
Is there any database access method that works with this mode for
10
Mark Emerson wrote:
Most people aren't interested in truth (e.g. that Pascal is a vastly superior
language in almost every respect). They are instead interested in what is
popular, politically correct, and has been artfully propagandized into their
gullible, small minds from a source they beli
Florian Klaempfl schrieb:
> Frank Peelo schrieb:
>> Is the problem that you start off with a grammar, write the parser, then
>> maintain the parser without updating the grammar?
>>
>
> Every early FPC (FPK Pascal) prototypes in 1993 used yacc as well but it
Very early ...
Frank Peelo schrieb:
>
> Is the problem that you start off with a grammar, write the parser, then
> maintain the parser without updating the grammar?
>
Every early FPC (FPK Pascal) prototypes in 1993 used yacc as well but it
was simply too slow and also memory consuming at these days.
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On Friday 16 October 2009 06:40:20 am Mark Emerson wrote:
> On Friday 16 October 2009 06:04:17 am Ingemar Ragnemalm wrote:
> > > Lee Jenkins wrote:
> > >> I don't agree with the idea that "BEGIN...END" determines the failure
> > >> of Pascal, as syntax completion is for that. Both "BEGIN...END" an
On Friday 16 October 2009 06:04:17 am Ingemar Ragnemalm wrote:
> > Lee Jenkins wrote:
> >> I don't agree with the idea that "BEGIN...END" determines the failure
> >> of Pascal, as syntax completion is for that. Both "BEGIN...END" and
> >> "{...}" are finished in the same time if they were done by
On 16/10/2009 10:53, Florian Klaempfl wrote:
Marco van de Voort schrieb:
In our previous episode, J�rgen Hestermann said:
There is not even a proper open one for Delphi. At least there wasn't till a
while back.
That may be because it is no longer possible to write a BNF grammar for
these c
On 16 Oct 2009, at 15:12, Paul Davidson wrote:
Ok, 32 bit universal it is!
Is there any database access method that works with this mode for
10.6.1? And how?
Since MySQL is not shipped with Mac OS X, you somehow installed/
obtained an x86_64 version of its client library. Install/obtain
Ok, 32 bit universal it is!
Is there any database access method that works with this mode for
10.6.1? And how?
Again, thank you
On 2009-10-16, at 8:59 AM, Jonas Maebe wrote:
On 16 Oct 2009, at 14:51, Vincent Snijders wrote:
Jonas Maebe schreef:
That's correct, FPC 2.2.4 only support
Lee Jenkins wrote:
I don't agree with the idea that "BEGIN...END" determines the failure
of Pascal, as syntax completion is for that. Both "BEGIN...END" and
"{...}" are finished in the same time if they were done by computer.
On the contrary, it is part of the way of Pascal being elegant.
On 16 Oct 2009, at 14:51, Vincent Snijders wrote:
Jonas Maebe schreef:
That's correct, FPC 2.2.4 only support i386 and PowerPC for Mac OS
X. The upcoming 2.4.0 release will also support x86_64, PowerPC/64
and ARM.
As far as I could see, there are no x86_64 Mac OS X snapshots. Is
that co
In our previous episode, Florian Klaempfl said:
> >> these compilers due to the c-style extensions.
> >
> > Odd that there are grammers for C and C++ then, and they have no problem :-)
> > Please don't grab any random other thread to make your point.
> >
> > The reason is probably more because Wi
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Marc Santhoff wrote:
> is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
> somewhere?
>
Gold parser builder has a BNF grammar for Delphi 7 (AFAIK, incomplete):
http://www.devincook.com/goldparser/grammars/index.htm
Regards,
Gerard.
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The reason is probably more because Wirthian languages traditionally use
recursive descent parsers.
gcc as well for several years simply because a recursive descent parser
is faster than one generated automatically from a BNF grammar.
That is true, but the _expression_ po
Jonas Maebe schreef:
That's correct, FPC 2.2.4 only support i386 and PowerPC for Mac OS X.
The upcoming 2.4.0 release will also support x86_64, PowerPC/64 and ARM.
As far as I could see, there are no x86_64 Mac OS X snapshots. Is that correct?
Vincent
On 16 Oct 2009, at 14:16, Paul Davidson wrote:
dsl-corax:~ pauldavidson$ lipo -info /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/
libmysqlclient.a
input file /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/libmysqlclient.a is not a
fat file
Non-fat file: /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/libmysqlclient.a is
architecture: x8
Great, although ignoring the "packed" would be very useful as we are
mechanically translating a large body of code.
-- Bruce
From: fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org on behalf of Jonas Maebe
Sent: Fri 10/16/2009 4:50 AM
To: FPC-Pascal users discussions
dsl-corax:~ pauldavidson$ lipo -info /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/
libmysqlclient.a
input file /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/libmysqlclient.a is not a
fat file
Non-fat file: /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/libmysqlclient.a is
architecture: x86_64
Noted that Xcode is set for 32 bit univers
> From: Marco van de Voort
> (...)
> The reason is probably more because Wirthian languages traditionally use
> recursive descent parsers.
This reminds me: there are a compiler generator named COCO/R wich has
a Pascal version (Delphi actually). It generates recursive descendent
parsers. ( search r
Marco van de Voort schrieb:
> In our previous episode, J�rgen Hestermann said:
>>> There is not even a proper open one for Delphi. At least there wasn't till a
>>> while back.
>> That may be because it is no longer possible to write a BNF grammar for
>> these compilers due to the c-style extension
章宏九 wrote:
I don't agree with the idea that "BEGIN...END" determines the failure
of Pascal, as syntax completion is for that. Both "BEGIN...END" and
"{...}" are finished in the same time if they were done by computer.
On the contrary, it is part of the way of Pascal being elegant.
Its very am
In our previous episode, J?rgen Hestermann said:
> > There is not even a proper open one for Delphi. At least there wasn't till a
> > while back.
>
> That may be because it is no longer possible to write a BNF grammar for
> these compilers due to the c-style extensions.
Odd that there are gramme
On 16 Oct 2009, at 10:42, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
That may be because it is no longer possible to write a BNF grammar
for these compilers due to the c-style extensions.
BNF grammars exist for C (e.g. as part of the ANSI C standard) and
even for C++. Please don't start a language war in ev
On 16 Oct 2009, at 10:43, Jürgen Hestermann wrote:
Sorry, I misread the mail, I thought it was about bitpacked arrays.
Plain "packed" arrays are no different from regular arrays in FPC
(we basically ignore that modifier, except in MacPas mode where
it's an alias for bitpacked), so the "pac
Sorry, I misread the mail, I thought it was about bitpacked arrays.
Plain "packed" arrays are no different from regular arrays in FPC (we
basically ignore that modifier, except in MacPas mode where it's an
alias for bitpacked), so the "packed" monicker can simply be left out
when declaring the
There is not even a proper open one for Delphi. At least there wasn't till a
while back.
That may be because it is no longer possible to write a BNF grammar for
these compilers due to the c-style extensions.
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Now I know why vendors of newer languages (Dephi, Java etc) are trying
to hide pointers from programmers. They are very tricky to work with -
and give errors without warning!
Especially when compiler and programmer are both trying to outsmart each other.
:D
Yes. But I never needed pointer arit
On 15 Oct 2009, at 16:30, Bruce Bauman wrote:
From: fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org
[mailto:fpc-pascal-boun...@lists.freepascal.org] On Behalf Of Jonas
Maebe
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:28 AM
On 15 Oct 2009, at 14:49, Bruce Bauman wrote:
[packed for open array parameters]
Is
In our previous episode, leledumbo said:
>
> > is a complete grammar for fpc written in some variant of BNF available
> > somewhere?
> >
> > I searched the website and the wiki, to no avail.
>
> AFAIK, there's none. The developers adding language features by directly
> modifying the code. Even t
On 15 Oct 2009, at 18:02, Paul Davidson wrote:
Some linker output:
ld: warning: in /Users/pauldavidson/dev/cape96/libmysqlclient.a,
file is not of required architecture
Undefined symbols:
[snip]
It goes on...
Do note the 'file is not of required architecture'. Ummm
It means that th
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