n do absolutely everything in a single language is
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on of the compiler. I have to say that I don't think Thaddy has
exactly helped things by implying that a 64-bit double is converted into
an 80-bit extended on an architecture which doesn't support that type.
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ome arelowercase. The result
looks sloppy. Maybe it is OCD, don't know. Itbothers me anyway.
Is my understanding correct that there's no compiler warning for this
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On 25/02/18 10:30, Florian Klämpfl wrote:
Am 25.02.2018 um 11:12 schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd:> On 25/02/18 02:15, Ozz Nixon wrote:>> {$MACRO
ON}>> {$DEFINE _CTASSERT(X,Y,Z):=assert(x=y,z);}>> Begin _CTASSERT(1,1,'Constant
failed.');end.> > I don't be
On 25/02/18 02:15, Ozz Nixon wrote:
{$MACRO ON}
{$DEFINE _CTASSERT(X,Y,Z):=assert(x=y,z);}
Begin _CTASSERT(1,1,'Constant failed.');end.
I don't believe parameters are supported :-(
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On 26/12/17 23:15, Giuliano Colla wrote:
Il 26/12/2017 14:27, Mark Morgan Lloyd ha scritto:> What does gdb (and
possibly other debuggers) make of this? What currently gdb tells (and
any other debugger would tell) is :
No symbol "Item" in current context.
Once the appropriat
(and possibly other debuggers) make of this? Is it really
appropriate to declare Item as a variable, when it's really more akin to
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believe that the feature request entry in Mantis (referring the createdWiki
page) would be indeed useful.
Agreed, but I think https://sourceforge.net/projects/vectorpascalcom/ is
also noteworthy.
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ge is marked as being for the
discussion of a suggestion, and that it's deleted if not adopted. The
wiki's already got a maintenance problem with outmoded examples etc.
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ot; operations which worked on absolute addresses and completely
bypassed the descriptor-based protection mechanism.
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cker
will find a way to make that "anywhere" be malicious code.
Is this made safe by always having an else/otherwise? If so, could the
compiler at least raise a warning if an enumeration was sparse but there
was no else/otherwise to catch unexpected cases?
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at I've got set up here.
Is it /just/ that command line? Is this going via Mantis?
Whatever, good work everybody. It's a public holiday in the UK- it is in
Berlin as well or is the flurry of work just a coincidence?
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On 29/05/17 11:12, Karoly Balogh (Charlie/SGR) wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
My recollection is that the SPARC64 code generator is immature,> hopefully
Jonas will comment on that.
Not sure what "immature" means, granted, I don't know anything abo
RC64 code generator is immature,
hopefully Jonas will comment on that.
Adrian, I've put very little time into the SPARC 64-bit Debian port, and
despite tracking the mailing list I'm a little unclear how complete it
is and- in particular- how easily it installs. Does it support multiar
;less"?
What does it do if the parameter is +ve? Note
https://mantis.freepascal.org/view.php?id=31693
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Wiki which is probably still relevant:
http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Lazarus_on_Solaris
As Pierre had to remind me, the -Xn issue is still significant.
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On 08/05/17 14:00, Pierre Muller wrote:
Le 05/05/2017 à 13:00, Mark Morgan Lloyd a écrit :> This is something that was discussed on the
FPC-Pascal ML but it died.> > I am able to build installation bundles for SPARC running Linux
(Debian) > and Solaris (OpenSXCE). The fp IDE works
ll add a note to the existing stuff on the Wiki.
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On 05/05/17 12:00, Pierre Muller wrote:
Hi Mark,
Le 05/05/2017 à 13:00, Mark Morgan Lloyd a écrit :> This is something that was discussed on the
FPC-Pascal ML but it died.> > I am able to build installation bundles for SPARC running Linux
(Debian) > and Solaris (OpenSXCE). The fp I
d these be of use for the downloads area, which at present only has
2.6.2 and 2.4.2 respectively?
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On 08/11/16 10:26, Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
The Solaris and C communities appeared to take the line that a correct
compiler "could not" generate unaligned accesses, although they held off
clarifying whether "could" in that
h other
compilers and languages, I'd suggest that a warning when
potentially-misaligned code is generated is in order.
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having something pending in local cache sometimes.
Surely that shouldn't happen on a properly-implemented cache-coherent
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th under your
> maintenance and not) that appear to get this wrong, which suggests
> that there might be a toolchain issue here in fpc and friends. My
> scanner is telling me that the following armhf packages are broken:
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E+02* 1.E+002=
1.2345000000E+04
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Marcos Douglas wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd
wrote:
Marcos Douglas wrote:
Is there any chance to implement in the compiler something link this?
S := "
insert into t (
id, description
) values (
1, 'foo'
)
";
Did you see?
No, I
;re allowing it to extend over multiple lines somewhat like a unix
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Jonas Maebe wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Could I ask for clarification of this please. Are you saying that
Random() will crash if called simultaneously by multiple threads, or
that it will return suboptimal results?
It's undefined. The current implementation won't crash, but t
uce jitter in the retries, does that mean that I have to
put Random() into a critical section?
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abilities of most computers available at
the time. http://www.webcitation.org/6N4WnuuZk
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ich lacked functions to get
unhappy about :-)
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Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
Can anybody confirm that the comment reference to netdh.h in
fcl-net/src/cnetdb.pp should actually be netdb.h,
Yes. At least it was back then. (and according to the Paul Vixie author
reference, some time before
Can anybody confirm that the comment reference to netdh.h in
fcl-net/src/cnetdb.pp should actually be netdb.h, because I'm having a
lot of difficulty reconciling that with reality.
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onable to me, subject to considering the Windows
situation (some unix-style programs on DOS/Windows honour it).
I remember previous debate on getting a guaranteed UTC timestamp, and
this might be a useful way forwards provided obviously that the
underlying OS plays ball.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Up to and including 2.6.4, this works:
TRoundRobin= CLASS(TObject)
.
PUBLIC
.
(*$IFDEF HAS_TRUE YIELD *)
PROPERTY HasTrueYield: BOOLEAN DEFAULT TRUE;
(*$ELSE *)
PROPERTY HasTrueYield
to convert a compile-time conditional
into something that could be incorporated into an ordinary boolean
expression.
What is the correct syntax, and how far back is FPC compatible with it?
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ommunity has rejected MIT's attempts to reimplement it in Javascript,
indicates that there's an increasing awareness that both the language
and its typical implementations- i.e. embedded in a browser or as
ActionScript in Flash- leave much to be desired.
And Node.js is lipstick on a
less than 100 increment
foo as well as decrement foo when it is no longer less than 100...
If somebody really has to do this wouldn't "also" be a better choice to
avoid (getting close to overloading "as"? :-/
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use would be to specify a finalisation statement which
was only executed if the while loop cycled at least once, or possibly
one which was executed if the loop never cycled.
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, how close
is it to being able to program a breadboarded chip as described at
http://hackaday.com/2015/10/09/arming-a-breadboard-everyone-should-program-an-arm/
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Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Sven Barth wrote:
Am 10.10.2015 10:51 schrieb "Mark Morgan Lloyd" <
markmll.fpc-de...@telemetry.co.uk>:
Michael Van Canneyt wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015, Sven Barth wrote:
I'm not sure this kind of semantics is pos
tter if it could be generalised to evaluate and
return one of any number of expressions.
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Folks:
https://alum.mit.edu/www/toms/ftp/shell.p
Shows up as a bad link here.
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evel.
They're both just tokens to the compiler. At least "?" has the advantage
of being new and not yet used, so is unambiguously.
Jonas, what's your take on this as an overall language guru?
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thing I do have problems with is the difficulty people had
explaining nested inline ifs during the 1960s. However I think that was
more because they simply hadn't worked out how to write language
documentation rather than there being anything inherently tricky about
it, and these days there
there's /always/ an ELSE, so there's no
risk of apparent ambiguity due to "dangling else": a closing END or FI
isn't needed.
It's more difficult to argue for inline CASE, particularly since that
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David W Noon wrote:
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:12:56 +, Mark Morgan Lloyd
(markmll.fpc-de...@telemetry.co.uk) wrote about "Re: [fpc-devel] new
features and facilities" (in ):
Ondrej Pokorny wrote:
As Michael has said, adding an extra
and Embarcadero looks like they won't
add it at all :)
Inline if is an ALGOL feature, and it's inexplicable why it's never been
in Pascal.
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Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
I still have a few NT4 app servers, and a very small number of W2K systems.
Possession That's not the important question, rather how much new software
do you develop for those?
I'd not expect to shi
e NT4
APIs were basically not fully implemented by Microsoft. The bottom line
with both NT4 and W2K is that ancillary software like installation
programs are no longer viable.
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R = MARK THEN GO TO A9;
I := J := I+1; S[I] := R; MOVE(NAME, V[I]); GO TO A0;
A2: IF F[S[J-1]] = G[S[J]] THEN BEGIN J := J-1; GO TO A2 END;
M := MTB[S[J]];
A3: IF PRTB[M] = 0 THEN BEGIN ERROR(5); GO TO EXIT END;
N := J;
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s followed by a single statement
(ALGOL 60, Pascal) or by multiple statements followed by fi or end
(ALGOL 68, Modula). And then there's x := if...then...else...; which
exists in ALGOL and (in a more compact form) in C, but not in Pascal and
its derivatives.
And those are the shibb
stability.
Formal standards only work if they have the support of a major standards
body from day one. And informal industry standards normally take the
form of openly-published documentation, and we've got that in abundance
(but if Den wants to help with the indexing, I'm sure we'd
Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
On Linux (other unixes untested),
(afaik vcsa is a linux only thing)
I can confirm it's not in the build for Solaris.
I notice that when installing prebuilt
binaries grab_vcsa is setuid root, but when building
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tool (originally suggested by José
Mejuto).
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f it falls outside the range of shift values
whose behaviour is defined).
Alternatively, could it be coopted into something useful e.g. a count of
the zero bits on the left/right of the operand?
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Entering DoNested
Nested handling in DoNested
Exiting DoNested
Exiting MyMethod
Exiting $main
Useful, thanks.
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Jonas Maebe wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote on Wed, 13 May 2015:
That particular machine self-destructed, so I don't have an adequate
record of what versions of gld/ld were installed. A rebuilt system
using the SunFreeware libraries etc. (which are for Solaris 10 rather
than 11) appears
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I'm taking a minimal look at OpenSXCE, which is a compilation of Illumos
(formerly Open Solaris 11 etc.) for SPARC. I've already got SPARC
Solaris 10 running, so am able to see what's different rather than being
confused by a completely unfamiliar pla
ete Unicode support etc. However in view of the
proprietary nature of both Solaris and SPARC I'm not proposing to put
much time into it- unless of course the existing problems turn out to be
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I ran into various problems
which gave me the impression that the raw help file data required the
utilities in the matching FPC version: is that reasonable, or should the
format from 2.0.0 onwards be absolutely invariant?
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Jonas Maebe wrote:
On 12 Feb 2015, at 14:13, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Jonas Maebe wrote:
On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:17, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I presume that ld from Xcode 2.0 is slightly too old, and that that
flag isn't supported. Is there a way of accommodating this at the
command
ike... again, I assume that somebody's
picked any problems up already on such a popular platform.
If FPC's -k option can add linker options, wouldn't an option to remove
them be useful?
I'll probably be back with more problems...
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Jonas Maebe wrote:
On 12 Feb 2015, at 12:17, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I presume that ld from Xcode 2.0 is slightly too old, and that that
flag isn't supported. Is there a way of accommodating this at the
command line, or is the only way by finding the flag in the build
files and disa
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Afaik that's it, binutils+make+gdb from xcode + the installer.
Thanks, I'll see where I get to.
Testing 2.7.1 at revision 29398, compiling with
make NOGDB=1 OPT='-V2.6.4 -O- -gl -Xs-' all
which has worked for the other architectures I've
Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
which refers me to http://www.freepascal.org/xcode.html which turns out
to be a redirect to http://www.freepascal.org/down/powerpc/macosx.html
That's wrong and lands you on an old copy of the site. The central s
, he was last heard of discovering
that his bicycle was incompatible with Brno's tram tracks). Can anybody
tell me definitively what else I need, and what I should be doing next?
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e FPC/Lazarus
repositories are very sensitive to routing changing in the middle of a
checkout. This shows up in particular if working on a system emulated by
Qemu etc., making sure that all traffic leaves us over the same line
results in a dramatic improvement.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Pierre Free Pascal wrote:
Hi Mark,
did you try to generate the libraries needed to compile FP IDE with
GDB support by
using the script in fpcsrc/packages/gdbint/gen-gdblib-inc.sh ?
If you have a build directory of a certain GDB version (let's say 7.8.1
ithout any underlying adjustments.
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Joost van der Sluis wrote:
On 12/30/2014 07:12 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc
Install the libc-(devel) package. And your message is not completely
clear, does it compile without gdb?
See also the Lazarus-FAQ.
Up to date URL please? The version I see is dated
bin, hence the fpc binary from trunk has
overwritten the one from 2.6.4 which IMO should not be allowed to happen.
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failed (OK without debugger), older versions
generally OK. I'm not at this point able to say which versions I've
exercised the debugger with, above is build only.
I can live without a debugger, all I'm aiming for at the moment is to
have a version of FPC which will work with a fai
is a hobby project.
I second that. However I'd add that I do so advisedly: I used OS/2 for
quite a few years and I still feel unwell whenever I see it mentioned.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
I agree that zero and false are generally equivalent, except possibly in
the case of unix shell scripts where it gets messy. It's arguably unsafe
to ever cast true to a number or enumeration, and possibly the best
behaviour would be to ensure that the compiler a
scripts where it gets messy. It's arguably unsafe
to ever cast true to a number or enumeration, and possibly the best
behaviour would be to ensure that the compiler always handled for b :=
false to not false do and for b := not false to false do the same.
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quot;April Fool" joke but still makes a
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comparable on other OSes could be a problem, even if user apps and their
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Sergei Gorelkin wrote:
19.11.2014 15:16, Marco van de Voort ?:> In our previous episode,
Mark Morgan Lloyd said:>>>> introduces a very significant performance
overhead;>>>>>> Linux also does this.>>>> On some but by no means all
platforms. I&
between a
dynamically-loaded library (DLL or so) and the main program.
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both Solaris and Linux are implemented.
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tion requires alignment, but the kernel traps alignment errors
and fixes them silently. SPARC Solaris does this and my understanding is
that it introduces a very significant performance overhead; ARM Linux
may also do it (where demanded by the hardware) but my understanding is
that notificat
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cache the IP address, or possibly an application-supplied list of pool
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lopment host is likely to have more memory than a target
system which will have major implications on (linkage) speed, and it's
probably undesirable to thrash a target system if its filesystem is
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Marco van de Voort wrote:
In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said:
I see from your reference that the compiler extends ANSI/ISO Pascal, but
there's no indication of whether, when it was written, it was based on
Jensen & Wirth or the somewhat later ISO standard. Was it wri
rth or the somewhat later ISO standard. Was it written from
scratch, or was it initially based on something like the P6 compiler
which I believe was on some DEC systems?
** Anybody: what's the state of the -Miso mode? I don't see it in the -h
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but so far using the most-recent fpc seems
compatible with all of 2.2.4 through 2.6.x on multiple native platforms.
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Sietse Achterop wrote:
On 10/12/2014 10:54 AM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
Sietse Achterop wrote:
Dear list,
I try to get the embedded port of fpc (for both lcp1728 and stm32f4)
to work but fail.
I use the info on
http://wiki.freepascal.org/TARGET_Embedded
but immediate get:
make[1
rd names?
For the moment I use symlinks to get the names that fpc expects.
Hopefully someone can help me with these questions.
Those triplets are a pain in the backside, the "none" simply means that
the binutils build script couldn't work out the precise platform and/or
wasn't
only for consistency):
serial for i := 0 to m-1 do begin
parallel for j = 0 to n-1 do begin
..
end;
end;
to ensure that the inner loop is parallelised to the greatest possible
extent, but that the outer loop is protected from reentry.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd
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Michael Schnell wrote:
IMHO it usually is better to first decide if you want to drink tea or
bear before you run to the fridge or to the cupboard.
That could be a fatal error, even if permitted by the parser :-)
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Mark Morgan Lloyd
markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk
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Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote:
Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb:
Boian Mitov wrote:
I think parallel processing belongs in library implementations.
I have reservations, based in part on the fact that other language
implementations are prepared to assume responsibility for
parallelisation, in part
that operations are
parallelised, and in part on the fact that FPC already vectorises on
e.g. SSE2 hardware.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd
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Michael Schnell wrote:
On 09/26/2014 05:31 PM, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote:
.
A parallel loop syntax is very attractive, but the practical
difficulty is that it would probably have to sit on top of threads and
getting code distributed promptly over multiple worker threads, i.e.
starting up
e or block modifiers can be
declared as part of the language but implemented as replaceable runtimes.
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Mark Morgan Lloyd
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