[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
One of the bad things about Github is that a founder gives speeches
that insult the id
On Thu, August 15, 2013 5:03 am, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
As you can see in the minutes published today, the board discussed the
thread about GitHub and the various concerns on this issue.
F
Le 2013-08-19 17:41, Olav Vitters a écrit :
He's totally free to go personal with someone via private email. It
is
offtopic for this list, totally inappropriate and socially
unacceptable.
Suggest to read the descriptions for these mailing lists. Note that
mailman is free software and anyone i
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:08:06PM +0200, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> Le 2013-08-18 23:13, Olav Vitters a écrit :
> >On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 01:14:47PM -0400, Super Bisquit wrote:
> >>Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
> >>honorary ones don't mean shit?
> >
> >Since wh
Le 2013-08-18 23:13, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 01:14:47PM -0400, Super Bisquit wrote:
Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
honorary ones don't mean shit?
Since when is such behaviour socially acceptable? Anyway, you're
banned
from both lis
Hello,
GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
doesn't.
But may I ask why you chose GitHub and not some other service?
I'll tell you why it's important in my humble opinion, to ask this
question. As you many have heard already, most Git hosting websites use
proprietary
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 04:13 -0300, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2013, at 22:20, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> >[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> >[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> >[ foreign or domestic, requires
Il giorno gio, 15/08/2013 alle 12.07 +0200, Alexandre Franke ha scritto:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>
> I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere. At
> least gitorious would be ethically acceptable, so it wouldn't bother
> me, but I won't invest t
The results GitHub brings are not relevant in this case. TONS of useful
software have been created - and are still being created - using
Microsoft tools, and many other proprietary tools. So what?
I think it's somewhat unfair to make the GitHub mirroring automatic and
let people send their patches
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> There's no intention to support pull requests or to depend in any way
> in this service, this is just a nice-to-have to serve the GitHub's
> community and user base.
My concern is that with no way to disable pull requests, potential
contribut
This might be harmless if there was a way to disable pull requests, but
if we mirror repos on GitHub we have a responsibility to monitor for and
accept pull requests, otherwise potential contributors who are
unfamiliar with our development flow will be discouraged when their pull
requests sit unnot
Richard Stallman wrote on 17/08/2013 1:10:
I don't think it'll make much of a difference as neither technical nor
philosophical arguments are often part of, not what gets discussed at
GNOME but, what gets decided. To make sure that it's noted I do agree
with Richard on this:
But I don't thi
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 19:09 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Hosting services in general are not SaaSS. Maybe some specific thing
> about GitHub is SaaSS; if so, can you explain the details?
Please take discussions of GitHub off-list. The Foundation Board will
discuss the GNOME mirror during it
I actually have a question. If I'm a module maintainer, is it possible for
me to receive the standard GitHub emails whenever somebody opens a pull
request on one of my repos? I'm OK with tracking pull requests and
accepting for my module.
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Andrea Veri wrote:
>
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.55 -0400, Richard Stallman ha scritto:
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
> Un
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
> We should pick
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
> mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
This is great news! It should make it easier for people to keep
independent/experimental branches of Gnome modules and have a pl
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 01:14:47PM -0400, Super Bisquit wrote:
> Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
> honorary ones don't mean shit?
Since when is such behaviour socially acceptable? Anyway, you're banned
from both lists, bye.
--
Regards,
Olav
__
Super Bisquit wrote:
> Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
> honorary ones don't mean shit?
Derogatory personal comments have no place on this list. Please
refrain from making posts like this again. Our moderators have been
notified about this, and will act if you
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
honorary
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 13:14 -0400, Super Bisquit wrote:
> Since when did you become a "Dr" without having an actual doctorate-
> honorary ones don't mean shit?
Other "Doctors" that may or may not be real Doctor's include: Dr. Dre,
Doctor Who, and Dr. Seuss... Personally I think Dr. Stallman qualifi
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
Its sad that there is a huge number out there who think "Free Software"
means
2013/8/17 Richard Stallman
> It's true that most commercial software is proprietary,
> and we're against it -- but not directly because it's commercial.
> Meanwhile, some commercial programs are free, and we are
> grateful for their development.
>
Its sad that there is a huge number out there wh
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
I found it interesting to think about it this way! We always think about
compa
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 19:10 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
> To Richard: I
I wrote:
If users can avoid the nonfree JS by using the API, that solves the
problem.
but I should have written
If users can avoid the nonfree JS by using the API, that
potentially solves the problem.
Which is why I asked
Is this a real option or only a theoretical one? Is
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
To Richard: I would like a clarification in this respect. If I use a
non-free
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
I believe the mentioned article answers your question: GitHub is
essentially S
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
> When you say that GitHub is "nonfree", what do you mean by that?
> We do not
Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
> If you're not happy with that, we can certainly bring it up to the board
> and talk about it, but from how I see things, I don't think we'll remove
> GNOME Online Accounts integration or stop our Twitter marketing campaigns.
> So, I'm saying that if you're not happy with
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 21:20 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
> [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
> [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
> [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
> Is it advisable to us
On 15 Aug 2013, at 22:20, Richard Stallman wrote:
>[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
>[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
>[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
>
>Is it advisable to use n
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
Is it advisable to use nonfree GitHub as a secondary mirror for GNOME's
free
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We're aware of the distinction between open source software and free/libre
sof
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
By using gibhub for our 'official' git mirror, we're still
promoting the use o
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
open so
On 13-08-15 07:55 AM, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> Ok, I probably misphrased that since English is not my native
> language. What I meant is that my code being mirrored is not something
> I want to push for, it's not something I consider as needed. That was
> an explanation for the fact that I won't b
Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Sure, but if you want to play the integrity game, how come you are not
> questioning our usage of Google services all across our
> infrastructure? The usage of twitter and Google+ as outreach tools?
I am sure many people could discuss this usage, and have, at least I
know I
2013/8/15 Michael Catanzaro
>
> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:26 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
> > doesn't.
>
> Yes, but we've disabled them all. I really fail to see the point of
> GitHub without its killer feature (pu
Pressed sent too early.
[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/GitHub
2013/8/15 Andrea Veri
> 2013/8/15 Michael Catanzaro
>
>>
>> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:26 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
>> > doesn't.
>>
>> Yes
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> > We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
> > open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
> > money from Google for the
Hello Christian,
2013/8/15 Christian Persch :
> That's a distinction without difference. The point remains that the
> GNOME trademark is used to promote a proprietary web service.
> Coupled with the word "Official" this even constitutes a strong
> endorsement.
It's the other way around, we are u
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:07 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
>> I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere.
> If you don't care much about your code being mirrored, it probably means
> that "Can maintainers opt out?" is a th
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote:
> I thought that "making it easy for them to take the code and copy it"
> was the entire point of using a distributed version control system.
> actually, I was pretty sure that this was the whole point of having
> free access to the software
I'm working on a wiki page with all the needed details, it'll be up for the
end of the day :-)
cheers,
2013/8/15 Gil Forcada Codinachs
> First of all, thanks for this!
>
> Couple of notes though:
> - I haven't seen the link to the script that does the mirroring I guess
> that is kept somewhere
First of all, thanks for this!
Couple of notes though:
- I haven't seen the link to the script that does the mirroring I guess
that is kept somewhere right? :) Making it public so that others (after
being installed in git.gnome.org of course) can add their own choice (why
not a launchpad one? or g
Hi;
Am Thu, 15 Aug 2013 12:24:21 +0200
schrieb Alberto Ruiz :
> 2013/8/15 Christian Persch :
> > Also, I'd like to question when and how it was decided to give this
> > github mirror 'official' status?
>
> The fact that the hook is installed in the repos makes it official. It
> was my call, not G
I'm open to uncall it "official", that won't make it any less official
though :-)
2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra :
> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:15 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> 2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra :
>> > On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> >> Hello everyone,
>> >>
>> >> I've
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:15 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> 2013/8/15 Claudio Saavedra :
> > On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
> >> mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
> >
> > O
hi;
On 15 August 2013 11:38, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
>> Speaking as someone who has a Gitorious account and not a GitHub one,
>> what will you gain by opting out? It won't stop someone from cloning
>> your code on GitHub. This way you atlea
hi Christophe;
On 15 August 2013 10:38, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
> 2013/8/15 Alberto Ruiz :
>> Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days.
>> Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we
>> have a lot to gain.
>>
>
> Promoting the non-free github
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote:
> Speaking as someone who has a Gitorious account and not a GitHub one,
> what will you gain by opting out? It won't stop someone from cloning
> your code on GitHub. This way you atleast have a canonical tree on
> GitHub where you can see what
On 2013-08-15 11:46, Christian Persch wrote:
Hi;
From the associated blog post:
As per people concerned about the fact that github is a closed source
service, I have a few things to highlight: this is just a mirror, we
won't rely on them for any of our activities. Also, GitHub has
contributed a
Hello Christian,
2013/8/15 Christian Persch :
> Hi;
>
> From the associated blog post:
>> As per people concerned about the fact that github is a closed source
>> service, I have a few things to highlight: this is just a mirror, we
>> won't rely on them for any of our activities. Also, GitHub has
Hey,
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> Anyway this is really not what was the most important point to me in
> my previous email and you didn't answer the question I really cared
> about, so I'm asking again: is there a way for maintainers to opt out
> of the githu
2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke :
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
>> open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
>> money from Google for the GSoC's every year and I see no complaint
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
> mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
Out of curiosity and given the controversy started by your choice of
github -- what makes this mirror officia
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
> open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
> money from Google for the GSoC's every year and I see no complaints.
> Everything is a matter on how
Hi;
From the associated blog post:
> As per people concerned about the fact that github is a closed source
> service, I have a few things to highlight: this is just a mirror, we
> won't rely on them for any of our activities. Also, GitHub has
> contributed a great deal of their infrastructure code
Yeah, we should probably add that in the mirror description, adding it
to each repo will be a bit more painful as it will require a script.
Any help is welcome by the way :-)
2013/8/15 Maciej Piechotka :
> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:34 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> I don't think you've read my blog
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:34 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> I don't think you've read my blog post and my email carefully, we are
> not replacing anything with anything. git.gnome.org is still based on
> cgit, people will still be required to use bugzilla to send their
> patches, we will not rely on G
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:50 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> A hook for github is more than welcome from my POV.
I'm guessing you mean gitorious...
Are you able to point us to the github scripts and hooks that were
already written so that someone might be able to port those or patch
those instead of w
A hook for github is more than welcome from my POV.
2013/8/15 James :
> On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:42 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
>> > Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days.
>> > Because we have nothing to l
Hello Alexandre,
2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke :
>> (Certainly the popularity of GitHub is not the reason you chose it I
>> guess, just like the popularity of Windows doesn't make us focus on
>> Windows support, and the popularity of Skype doesn't make us focus on
>
> As you can see in Alberto's ans
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:42 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> > Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days.
> > Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we
> > have a lot to gain.
>
> You're
Hello Christophe,
A script to mirror in gitorious is more than welcome.
Also, "a free alternative" is a bit of a red herring, there is a
technical alternative, yes, but there is no alternative to the user
base inside github. Also, if you think hordes of people will stop
using github just because
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
> Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days.
> Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we
> have a lot to gain.
You're entitled to your opinion but you must be aware that some people
disagre
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, אנטולי קרסנר wrote:
> Hello,
Hi,
> Examples:
[…]
> SourceForge
SourceForge is actually free software now. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Apache_relicense
> (Certainly the popularity of GitHub is not the reason you chose it I
> guess, just like th
2013/8/15 Alberto Ruiz :
> Why did I choose github? Because that's where everybody is these days.
> Because we have nothing to lose by mirroring our repos there and we
> have a lot to gain.
>
Promoting the non-free github while a free alternative exists
(gitorious) is a big loss in my opinion.
Ch
Hello,
I don't think you've read my blog post and my email carefully, we are
not replacing anything with anything. git.gnome.org is still based on
cgit, people will still be required to use bugzilla to send their
patches, we will not rely on GitHub for any existing interaction
within the community
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