h abusive behaviour on mailing lists are far less capable than
those that have been developed for Wikipedia.
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what productive public discussion we have, and increase our reliance
on private mailing lists.
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gateway, instead of an email gateway. We'd have to
evangelise the clients, say in a footer in outgoing emails.
A quick google search turns up the following NNTP clients for mobile
platforms:
Java: http://mobilenews.sourceforge.net/
iPhone: http://inewsgroup.googlecode.com/
Windows:
ife and light.
Last time I checked, you could use any email client you liked when
connected to AOL, you only have to use the broken one they supply if
you don't understand how to use computers.
<http://help.aol.com/help/microsites/search.do?cmd=di
e seeing more of a choice of forum than respect for the moderators.
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]). Nature doesn't have exemptions or loopholes, we can't continue
emitting by moving economic activity from corporations to charities.
[1] <http://www.garnautreview.org.au/chp9.htm#tab9_3>, and see chapter
4.3 for the impacts of 550 case.
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Tim Starling wrote:
>> I'm not appealing to the PR benefits here, or to the way this action
>> would promote the climate change cause in general. I'm just saying
>> that as an organisation composed of rational,
nth of a degree fifty years from now?
The cost per capita can be derived from the total cost using a complex
mathematical process known as "division". Maybe you've heard of it?
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read it and comment.
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-Wikipedia projects. So the idea that
decision-making there was "soon found silly" is a bit of an
exaggeration. It predates the namespace feature in MediaWiki; it
originally had a role similar to the Help and Wikipedia namespaces on
the English Wikipedia today.
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texts to the world can do so at Wikipedia. All the content is released
under the GNU FDL, and it already has over 1000 articles. Short, and
maybe not the high quality of Nupedia, but with time? Who knows... "
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ld try to help him out. If there was some issue
of conscience, I could consider resigning, but obviously that wouldn't
come up if I'm being asked to remove some rubbish cameraphone home
video from the deletion archive.
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er does". It can easily be ported from PHP to
C++, since that was a design goal when I rewrote it for MW 1.12. In
fact, the Preprocessor_Hash implementation was meant as a model for a
C++ port, not as a permanent and useful part of MediaWiki.
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for designing the Internet. And
they've made so many other excellent contributions to peace, like
unmanned bombers and anti-missile lasers.
Seriously, the only reason I can think of that the committee would
choose "the internet" as a recipient is if they wanted to make an
Marc Riddell wrote:
>> Tim Starling wrote:
>
>> Seriously, the only reason I can think of that the committee would
>> choose "the internet" as a recipient is if they wanted to make an even
>> more bizarre choice than last year.
>>
>> -- Tim Sta
Gregory Kohs wrote:
> Point of clarification... does Jimmy Wales have the authority to
> impose a "global ban" on a user?
Yes, Jimmy has always had such rights, and he continues to enjoy broad
community support.
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a voiceover that's a summary of the text on that
page. So you're not missing much.
Or to put it another way, you're not missing anything which might be
on-topic for foundation-l.
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x27;d like to put a date on this one as well? By what
date will VR be a significant part of our lives? And will Google Wave
be embedded in VR, or will VR be embedded in Google Wave?
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Wikipedia would have been "more pitiful than Citizendium". It was
bigger than Citizendium while it *had* a for-profit stance.
Of course some contributors would have left, that's partly my point.
The policies Jimmy imposed on Wi
ompromise with. To a conservative, a claim of educational
value does not negate a risk of moral turpitude. By optionally hiding
images which have a claim of educational value, however dubious the
claim, you please nobody.
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wo/three terrible positions. Let's add a fourth faction, the "educators".
Suit yourself. But I think it's more worthwhile to classify the
ideologues than it is to classify the pragmatists.
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equally.
In particular, I think there is potential for some very shaky and
tentative common ground, in the area of parental control over young
children. Libertarians might be convinced to make an exception to
their principles for that case, which would open up room for small but
valuable concessions
see in a SignWriting wiki is a feature to encode
SignWriting to video, showing a computer-generated figure acting out
the text. Then those who do not know SignWriting (which includes the
vast majority of the deaf community) would benefit from it. Just
php?title=Special:Undelete&target=Guerilla+UK+spelling+campaign×tamp=20050608022530>
Click "show preview" to see it with formatting.
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o respond to them.
A premature vote on the issue would make compromise difficult. The
Foundation has spent a lot of time and money on the Vector skin, and
it would be a pity to see it thrown away.
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ke advantage of this and go to another wiki, create the account
> and SUL over to whatever project they want to attack.
Is there a request in Bugzilla to fix this?
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said "OK, let's allow this" then some day the
fancruft we were allowing would be featured on the main page, with the
only criteria being that a fan puts enough effort into their style and
citations.
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>> Fred
>
> Really, It's not that much different than the Simpson episodes there
> have been on the MP, Just this one has a more "adult"ish name attached
> to it...
I also opposed the Simpsons features, for much the same reason.
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ringing more
attention to the primary sources in question. The article is being
actively edited along those lines.
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becoming a Wikipedian. I just have an appetite for general
knowledge that was served by both. I don't miss print encyclopedias:
today's internet is far better for satisfying my curiosity than any
encyclopedia.
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king the project? Is there any such
policy change which could plausibly be implemented by the Foundation
while it remains a charity?
I'm just trying to evaluate the scale of the risk here. The amount of
resources that we need to spend on this should be proportional to the
risk.
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On 15/08/11 18:14, Fred Bauder wrote:
>> I'm just trying to evaluate the scale of the risk here. The amount of
>> resources that we need to spend on this should be proportional to the
>> risk.
>>
>> -- Tim Starling
>
> That technical staff have ef
udong were able to thrive
only with the Chinese Wikipedia completely blocked in Mainland China.
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hether those who support the
filter have differing views on cultural neutrality to those who oppose it.
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if the feature is not particularly useful for parents.
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On 06/09/11 22:56, Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 14:33, Tim Starling wrote:
>> Personally, I think the filter will be mostly harmless, and that it's
>> not worth the effort to rail against it. It will be useful for PR --
>> it will seem as if we are tryin
e returned
sample will look more or less the same as a true random sample.
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oth spend a lot of time making sure Wikipedia is always
up and available for people to read, so it's painful to see a small
proportion of a wiki's users decide to take a whole wiki offline for
everyone.
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d Jimbo? Could help fundraising as well..
>>
>> Scattered pieces of the puzzle globe.
>
>
> We've talked this exact idea at length in the office .. I'd love to see it
> happen.
Maybe someone could create it if the 3D model used
m not sure
how you would separate that into correctly-rotated and
incorrectly-rotated images. There's not any simple way to tell whether
a picture is sideways.
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es with EXIF rotation would be very rare
and that most of them would be fixed by this feature, and I didn't
challenge that.
I think it's too early to focus on recriminations, we risk distracting
people from actually fixing the issue.
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On 20/12/11 12:50, Kim Bruning wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:35:24AM +1100, Tim Starling wrote:
>> On 13/12/11 01:36, Teofilo wrote:
>>> Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let
>>> us have some developers create a tool to find wrong p
acy and I was
asked to disable it, in favour of a meta.wikimedia.org request process.
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hts GoDaddy said, but
> there's no reference supporting that.
Try this:
<http://www.thedomains.com/2011/11/15/here-is-godaddys-statement-in-support-of-the-stop-online-privacy-act-house-hearing-tomorrow/>
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I have heard
conflicting things from Egyptian people. I don't suppose you have a
credible reference where I can read more about this, and which supports
these claims?
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Marcus Buck wrote:
> Tim Starling hett schreven:
>> Marcus Buck wrote:
>>
>>> In the Arabic world there's a prevalent POV, that Arabs form one nation
>>> united by the use of the Arabic language. But in reality Standard Arabic
>>> is something l
ing it out.
I think it sorts out most of the linguistic questions for me, so that just
leaves the political ones, which as always are more complex and
emotionally charged.
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o many people. That's the approach that seems to be indicated by pages
7-12 of this paper:
http://papers.ldc.upenn.edu/EALL/ArabicLiteracy.pdf
Like zh-min-nan, we'd probably be accused of encouraging baby-talk, but if
the community was behind it then it could go ahead.
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ink my time would be best spent working as a software
engineer for a cause that I believe in, rather than going back to
university and studying another socially-disconnected field.
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geni wrote:
> 2009/1/13 Tim Starling :
>> I believe that the solution to this problem lies in borrowing concepts
>> from software engineering, such as variables, functions, minimally
>> parenthesized programming languages, libraries, objects, etc. I know that
>> many
inted out, are
part of the community.
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edge of programming, and a programmer willing to work
with them. We've even done language-related features with no help from
speakers whatsoever, just using online linguistics resources.
So I don't think the lack of a Lingala-speaking developer should be
considered a roadblock for the d
PHP programmers).
It sounds like a good project for a directed grant. Have you tried
contacting potential grant-making organisations? I imagine some
awesome things could be done with as little as $100K.
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rity, which can issue a revocation certificate even if someone
burns your house down. And you can verify the authenticity of a public
key even if you don't have any friends.
My vote is for a Guitar Hero party instead.
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as good at
making that decision as a human. Such ambiguities are what makes the
field of computational linguistics interesting, they're not a reason
to be dismissive. We need to find out what is possible with
state-of-the-art research systems, and then negotiate, or develop
software
tasks. We're planning to move
all remaining operations in Korea to Florida, and to return the
servers to Yahoo. These plans can be hurried up if it's necessary for
legal reasons.
Is there an English translation of the law in question, avai
Tim Starling wrote:
> RYU Cheol wrote:
>> We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo,
>> right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South
>> Korea.
>
> Those servers are no longer being used to serve the website
which is both lucrative for
Wikimedia and likely to be acceptable to the community.
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we could have a small investment fund aimed at paying for such an
archive in 20 years or so, when the process will be cheaper.
By the way, it's FIB etching, not laser etching, and the discs are
nickel-coated silicon, not plain nickel.
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ght of carefully recorded and preserved history that
studying it, even in overview, becomes the work of a lifetime.
Anyone who claims to know what the far future will be like is a
charlatan. But I think it would be foolish to assume that it will be
a
long-term thinking, and expensive stunts are obviously a key
part of that.
But Wikimedia's goals are somewhat different, and we could probably
find some stunts which are more relevant to our mission.
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have rich text editors. An interactive editor
targeting Wave would be quite similar to an interactive editor
targeting the browser.
Browsers are something Microsoft actually supports and packages with
their OS, unlike federated, open-protocol IM clients, which as we've
seen over the past 9 year
Milos Rancic wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Tim Starling wrote:
>> It's not free software. The blog post says they "intend to open source
>> the code". That generally means the code quality is so bad that they'd
>> be embarrassed to make it pub
/www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html
Some people have suggested that Wikimedia should register some
defensive patents, although they probably didn't realise how much time
and money is involved in registering and maintaining the things.
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to compete for mindshare and client support, and
thus that it shouldn't be done. We would have to have that discussion,
and possibly a vote on the issue, before deployment of any software
solution. But the software should come first, at the very least it
will be useful to support alt
rchival
purposes. When we reduce the quality of a video for a web user, the
process will be under server control and can be incrementally
improved, instead of using whatever outdated software the user has on
their computer. So the net effect of the feature should be a
significant im
I'm taking Stevertigo off moderation. He has agreed by private email
not to continue the dispute resolution mailing list thread. Stevertigo
is a long-serving and trusted (if passionate) member of the community.
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ing wisdom in the non-profit world.
However, the reserve is enough that if one income source were to stop,
others could be developed before money to pay the fundraising staff
dried up. So it's self-sufficient in that way.
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ivate email when he started posting in this thread, and he has
ignored it.
Cary has contacted me expressing an interest in adjudicating this
case, and he is the relevant authority on this kind of thing. Thus I
have put Stevertigo back on moderation pending his decision.
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to write perfect code.
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a feature
whereby the user is told which libraries have the book being searched
for, in the requested edition or a different edition. It may even be
possible to report whether the book is on the shelf or not.
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maybe we can think of ways to do
repositories that are mirrored in our data centres but look more like
a separate branded collection as presented in MediaWiki. But the
Wikimedia community might have trouble with that.
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ch supports their goals and ours, so that we have a
better answer to the question when it inevitably comes up.
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runs svn up periodically.
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Roan Kattouw wrote:
> Tim Starling writes:
>> The LocalisationUpdate extension is slow, with a significant
>> performance loss per page view due to DB queries,
> I can't reproduce that locally. After installing LocalisationUpdate and
> visiting
> a few pages,
orted message updates from translatewiki.net. Why can't
the same backporting be done for the wmf-deployment branch?
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orted that
functionality from LocalisationUpdate to the backport automation
scripts run on translatewiki.net? And then we'd be able to get
translation updates with a simple "svn up" instead of adding a
complex, tightly-integrated extension to the main Media
roduce the
data. So I just wrote the relevant script, and am now testing it, so
the results will be available to the committee and the Board shortly.
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Brian wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Tim Starling wrote:
>
>> Let me say for the record that I'm not at all happy with this data
>> being released, since it allows vote-buying. Even if the numbers given
>> by voters are reduced to the smallest val
y disputes
that. Multi-winner elections should use a proportional method such as
STV. Markus Schulze himself has been developing a multi-winner
election method which combines STV with Condorcet winner concepts. But
that's a discussion for the next election, what's done is done.
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s analysis was correct. The SF staff have been looking for a new
office for some time, and last I heard they were in the process of
negotiating a lease on a prospective space. Subletting the old office
will be desirable at least until the lease there expires.
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nk I have an open mind, and always look forward to
having it changed. I've heard that conditions in the West Bank are
pretty bad, although the Israeli government disputes this. Maybe the
Wikimania team could organise a day trip to a nearby border town like
Baqa or Nazlat 'Isa, to change our mi
eld. Part of the town was annexed to Israel by the
construction of the West Bank barrier. On the south side of the town
is one of the West Bank's many long-term refugee camps, established in
1949.
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ve been removed, but the responses remain.
Presumably we're meant to guess what 79.181 said, like someone
eavesdropping on one side of a phone conversation. It seems like a
bizarre and inflammatory tactic to me, is it common practise?
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consulting with the communities. That tool should be disabled at once
> from all project, until it is repaired (which might mean redevelopped
> from scratch). (2)
Is there a bug report for this?
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On 07/09/10 20:01, Teofilo wrote:
> 2010/9/7, Tim Starling :
>>
>> If you don't like it, you can request that it be switched off, using
>> Bugzilla. You will need to demonstrate that the community is in favour
>> of such an action.
>
> This is not proactive
t do it, even right now. This is open
content, after all."
>From January 2003:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Paper_Wikipedia
>From August 2003:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Pushing_to_1.0&oldid=1319379>
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> What does appear to be unique is that this particular company gets what I'd
> describe as "star treatment." This includes having their custom code
> enabled, a prominent section in the sidebar, and even blog posts
uide the staff.
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On 10/12/10 07:36, KIZU Naoko wrote:
> Hi,
> I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It
> seems long, but it's not my topic.
> IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we
> have offered the message with links to other lang
> same messages.
>
> The m
er
from a Squid ACL. But a deny_info could be useful. Maybe Domas didn't
get up to the deny_info section in the manual ;)
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of
logged-in users public, so the people who made these edits had no
expectation that their IP address would be kept private. That, coupled
with the passage of time, makes me think that no harm to user privacy
can come from releasing these files.
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On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote:
> On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote:
>> I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I
>> opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete
>> backups of the text of Wikipedia, from Febru
e drawn from the
archives. Note that 979694938 was by dhcp058.246.lvcm.com, which
appears to be Larry.
By the way, the numbers in the revisions, e.g. 979694938, are UNIX
timestamps. That one was 17 Jan 2001, 01:28:58 UTC.
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