2009/5/14 Oldak Quill :
> I post the suggestion above about tagging articles that may be
> considered inappropriate by some, because it is better to give people
> tools to block content if they choose to, than to delete content on
> that basis.
I note that proposals to do blocking-oriented filte
2009/5/14 David Gerard :
> (In practice, those considering Wikipedia unsuitable for mass
> consumption write their own encyclopedia site, e.g. Conservapedia or
> Christopedia.)
Or - how could I forget, the example of an actually good selection of
Wikipedia that's proving very
2009/5/14 Thomas Dalton :
> So is my cookbook censored because it doesn't include a description of
> the Peloponnesian War? Of course not. It's not a matter of censorship,
> it's a matter of scope. If you wish to argue that pearl necklaces
> aren't encyclopaedic, then that is another question enti
2009/5/14 David Gerard :
> 2009/5/14 Thomas Dalton :
>> So is my cookbook censored because it doesn't include a description of
>> the Peloponnesian War? Of course not. It's not a matter of censorship,
>> it's a matter of scope. If you wish to argue that pea
2009/5/14 Sage Ross :
> I don't have much to add, but I want to voice my strong agreement.
> Some sort of serious effort to reach out to the many users who don't
> share the outlook of our more-libertarian-than-the-general-population
> community is long overdue.
Schools Wikipedia, or similar dis
2009/5/14 Sage Ross :
> No, I'm talking about something like actively including meta-data that
> would make possible filtered.en.wikipedia.org or the like (as Robert
> Rohde described), not imposing any limits on the way readers currently
> view Wikipedia.
So, put together something that uses th
2009/5/15 Thomas Dalton :
> Google has an hour of slow service and it's headline news. Imagine the
> donations we could get if our downtime (which, as David is fond of
> saying, is our most profitable product) got into the headlines!
Originally a Jimbo quote :-)
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2009/5/22 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/5/22 private musings :
>> Hi all,
>> I saw this news item today;
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8061979.stm
>> and felt that it was tangentially related to the discussions on this list
>> concerning sexual content on wikimedia - it's prompted me to make this repl
2009/5/23 Mike.lifeguard :
> I have been keeping an eye on what content got imported on English
> Wikibooks. If there has been anything imported from offsite GFDL-only
> sources I'm not aware of it. To be honest though, that's not saying much
> - we often have contributors bring us whole books the
2009/5/26 Michael Bimmler :
> I wish you all the best -- from now on, I will again rely on what I
> read about Wikimedia's fate in the media, albeit taking it with a
> pinch of salt...
I give you at most three months before you can no longer resist the
siren call of "Edit this page" ;-p
Thanks
2009/5/29 Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) :
> You know ... I can't think of a single instance in which I've ever seen
> Wikipedia content reused in which the GFDL was followed. In EVERY instance,
> the attribution has either been messed up or omitted altogether.
> I'm not saying this is a good thing, of
2009/5/30 Thomas Dalton :
> I don't get it... this is just MSN Messenger on steroids. It's a great
> idea and if it works it should be really useful, but it isn't
> world-changing and certainly isn't going to restructure the internet.
No, no - it's Google Chat on steroids! With email and groups
2009/5/31 Foxy Loxy :
> Assembling a chain of production that long, particularly for a
> non-profit foundation that doesn't have the best reputation (I'm not
> saying it's justified, but many people in high places will go 'ew,
> wikipedia').
[citation needed]
People in high places appear to lov
2009/5/31 Anthony :
> In any case, I think a small targetted wikibooks collection is going to be
> more useful than Wikipedia.
For a practical example, the Schools Wikipedia is proving enormously
popular with teachers in countries of all economic levels. Requires
something that can read a DVD, o
2009/5/31 Anthony :
> Now my understanding is that the protocol for interserver communication
> isn't completed, and who knows it may be vaporware. But it's an intriguing
> possibility. (As I said in a previous message, finally the platform I need
> for P2Pedia is here.)
Wave sounds more like
2009/5/31 geni :
> 2009/5/31 David Gerard :
>> For a practical example, the Schools Wikipedia is proving enormously
>> popular with teachers in countries of all economic levels. Requires
>> something that can read a DVD, or have said DVD dumped onto its hard
>> disk so
2009/6/2 George Herbert :
> OLPC is focused on kids. That's important. Perhaps a sister program
> to provide one OLPC or like device per village, with a more adult
> development / educational / practical hands on skills data set load
> would be appropriate.
http://www.pixelqi.com/ are displayi
2009/6/2 George Herbert :
> OLPC will last far longer out in the field than alternate platforms,
> and uses less power.
> Durability matters...
This is true. Netbooks tend to the "cheap and cheerful" end of the
spectrum, and I can hardly think of a popular model that's been out
more than six mon
2009/6/4 Pedro Sanchez :
> What I propose is this being re-added would cause a removal of sysop bit due
> to misuse of powers.
> Don't we have a committee that checks privacy violations?
The Foundation would surely have this power.
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Web bugs for statistical data are a legitimate want but potentially a
horrible privacy violation.
So I asked on wikitech-l, and the obvious answer appears to be to do
it internally. Something like http://stats.grok.se/ only more so.
So - if you want web bug data in a way that fits the privacy pol
2009/6/4 Robert Rohde :
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Aryeh Gregor
> wrote:
>> However, perhaps a default AbuseFilter could be installed telling
>> admins that installing Analytics is a violation of Foundation policy
>> and that they'll get desysopped if they continue. That wouldn't stop
>
2009/6/4 Erik Zachte :
> Considering web bugs: comScore also proposed such a scheme to us.
> Apart from the question how much it would bring us that we don't or can't
> figure out ourselves an overriding concern is privacy.
So if we ran our own internal web bug mechanism, with due attention to
p
It would be a simple matter of programming to have something that
allows upload of encumbered video and audio formats and re-encode them
as Ogg Theora or Ogg Vorbis. It would greatly add to how much stuff we
get, as it would save the user the trouble of re-encoding, or
installing Firefogg, or whate
2009/6/7 Platonides :
> David Gerard wrote:
> Isn't Firefogg good enough? That's the solution being developed.
Installing software is an extra step for the user, therefore bad.
>> ** though I fully expect people will now do so anyway
> IANAL but
See, told you!
Doe
2009/6/7 Brian :
> I think there are two issues for a proprietary -> non-proprietary converter:
> 1. The conversion software itself must be FLOSS.
> 2. The format being converted must have an open specification (Flash being a
> good example of one that might be allowed to be converted).
The firs
2009/6/7 Robert Rohde :
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
>> Patent encumbered formats often have licensing fees when you perform
>> encoding / decoding at commercial scale. For example, the MPEG
>> licensing association expects a fee from anyone distributing more than
>> 100
2009/6/7 Mark (Markie) :
> Archive.org do this and I know the tech team at least have previously had
> meetings/discussions with them.
Archive.org is of course a charity too. Does anyone know the
arrangement allowing them to do this?
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2009/6/8 Tim Starling :
> It's been discussed since OggHandler was invented in 2007, and I've
> always been in favour of it. But the code hasn't materialised, despite
> a Google Summer of Code project come and gone that was meant to
> implement a transcoding queue. The t
2009/6/8 Peter Gervai :
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 17:26, David Gerard wrote:
>> It would be a simple matter of programming to have something that
>> allows upload of encumbered video and audio formats and re-encode them
>> as Ogg Theora or Ogg Vorbis.
> As a technica
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=30848
Free tuition, admission fee, testing fee. No word on freedom of
materials. Anyone know more about details of this? Something we can
help with?
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2009/6/8 Brian :
> I don't think that's all that's needed. There will be Wikimedians scouring
> the Internet for all free video in all of its forms (of which there is quite
> a lot) and uploading it to Commons. You'll need an entire encoding farm.
> Hard drives are cheap, its true, but redundant s
Summary: Google Chrome includes Ogg support for the element.
It also includes H.264 support. Fine, but ... they're also testing
HTML5 YouTube *only* for H.264.
Mike Shaver from Mozilla has fairly unambiguously asked Chris diBona
from Google what the heck Google thinks it's doing:
http://lists.wh
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2009/6/15 Gnangarra :
> Sysops on Commons arent just handed the tools they first must seek a level
> of trust from the community that trust is because there are times when a
> person must act in the interest of Commons. As a long term sysop o
2009/6/15 Rama Neko :
> The "service project angle" worries me too. I have noticed that many
> articles of Wikipedia, the service project that makes it easier to
> find media in Commons by providing encyclopedic context to our
> content, utterly lack the proper links to our galleries and
> categor
2009/6/15 Marcus Buck :
> David Gerard schrieb:
>> I'd hope this isn't a summary of the views of other Commons admins.
>> Anyone else? Or is the Commons admin community this insular and derisive?
> That was an inversion, a change of perspective. A rhetorical measure
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/infolaw/2009/06/19/using-wikisource-as-an-alternative-open-access-repository-for-legal-scholarship/
Interesting. How well does this fit with what Wikisource does?
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2009/6/21 Ray Saintonge :
> Sure, transparency is a problem, but its absence alone does not imply
> fraud. It hurts the Iranian authorities even more if the vote count is
> accurate because nobody believes them.
Evidence the numbers were made up: humans are not very good at picking
random numbe
2009/6/21 Nikola Smolenski :
> Дана Saturday 13 June 2009 18:20:36 picus-viridis написа:
>> IMHO automatic translations into Polish are useless, as they only allow
>> rough orientation in the contents of an article. It concerns not only
> How is rough orientation in the contents of an article us
2009/6/24 Pedro Sanchez :
> With the license move...
> do we still accept GFDL-only material?
> I've seen OTRSer today accepting and tagging entries released as GFDL only.
Is this images for Commons? I'd personally like to deprecate the GFDL,
but if it's a Commons-accepted free content licence t
Anyone able to help with this?
(Durova's been doing a lot of restoration work on Commons. There has
also been discussion on wikien-l about crediting restorers - there's
frequently no copyright obligation to credit restorers, but doing so
is (a) polite (b) more accurate sourcing (c) encourages more
2009/6/28 Walter Vermeir :
> Probaly useful for those who do not know it; an expamle
It comes out infrequently enough that I suggest that posting it here
regularly would be an excellent idea. Could generate discussion, too.
And reader submissions!
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2009/7/3 Brian :
> A compromise is a win-win. In the absence of a compromise its a lose-lose.
> Except that H264 wins since almost all of us already support it.
Relying on something rendered radioactive by the software patents
attached to it is not a win.
It would be lovely if H.264 wasn't, leg
2009/7/4 Peter Gervai :
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 21:45, John at Darkstar wrote:
>> There is a solution, and it is rather puzzling. The license talks about
>> identification by an URI, and this can be defined several ways. We can
>> simply define an URI like "Wikipedia:My article" or perhaps "cc:nn
2009/7/3 Chad :
> {{qif}} was being used massively, even if the majority of the community
> didn't know about it (or care). It supported their work and allowed them
> to do the things with templates that they needed in articles. I would
> argue these complex templates came from the community's nee
2009/7/6 geni :
> Questionable. Since for fairly obvious reasons you can't let
> wikipedians execute arbitrary code through templates there is always
> going to be the problem of wikipedians useing workarounds that
> generate problematical code.
ParserFunctions is already Turing-complete, so you
2009/7/7 Samuel Klein :
> Once a name or monument transcends what it originally named and is
> used by reference to describe similar things elsewhere, there is a
> tendency to add the definite article -- the Earth, the Sun, the
> Sphinx, the Oracle, the Colosseum. I do see people running wikis of
2009/7/9 Michael Dale :
> * Google Chromium -- supports h.264 and ogg theora video natively. Again
> ogg performance is not very high quality. It uses the ffmpeg library
> which features a non-optimal theora decoder. Things like seeking
> presently don't work very reliably.
Does Chromium actuall
2009/7/9 geni :
> Mention VLC plugin perhaps?
Again, you're making suggestions to create an image of
pseudo-neutrality. The VLC plugin is notoriously problematic in
practice. Your suggestion would be actively misleading. I strongly
suggest you read the wikitech-l thread.
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2009/7/9 geni :
> Promoting any one browser for any reason is kinda dicey. Given how
> contentious browser wars are it wouldn't look to good from the POV of
> remaining neutral. Has anyone managed to work the firefox code into
> Konqueror yet?
Konqueror isn't a serious suggestion as a casual ins
2009/7/9 David Gerard :
> 2009/7/9 geni :
>> Mention VLC plugin perhaps?
> Again, you're making suggestions to create an image of
> pseudo-neutrality. The VLC plugin is notoriously problematic in
> practice. Your suggestion would be actively misleading. I strongly
> sug
2009/7/10 Erik Moeller :
> Whether for this or for other purposes, we need a tracking wiki page
> that has a super-compact table of current browser support for
> HTML5/Ogg Vorbis and Theora. Is there such a table already?
Here it is, it's pretty simple:
Browser | Supports Theora in ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/world/asia/10iht-malay.html
The Malaysian government has declared that science instruction will be
conducted in Bahasa rather than English. Parents, teachers and
professors are very unhappy because "English is the language of
science."
This sort of thing affects
2009/7/10 Pavlo Shevelo :
> Would you please be more clear in
>> This sort of thing affects the quality of our projects in languages
>> other than English.
> ?
> I mean what kind of affects (positive/negative) do you mean and what
> is the cause "mechanism" between such governmental rulings and qua
2009/7/10 Milos Rancic :
> So, even a discipline with a lot of polyglots can't work without lingua
> franca.
I remember reading in Isaac Asimov's autobiography how, as a chemist
in the 1940s, he had to learn French and German well enough to read
papers in those languages. So the lingua franca i
2009/7/10 Gerard Meijssen :
> Does this mean that you would advise against Ubuntu for their use of
> iceweasel and their inability to provide the 3.5 release in a timely fashion
> ?
That question really doesn't make any sense in context. Why would we
advise *against* an OS?
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2009/7/10 Mark Williamson :
> I'm not suggesting that anybody ignore the issue, just that a
> different approach be taken to resolution.
I am. Nobody cares, approximately.
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2009/7/11 geni :
> Ubuntu is as much a software package including an OS as a pure OS. It
> can be considered amusing that the bundling that got Microsoft into
> trouble has become standard practice for pretty much any general user
> orientated OS these days.
This is a misconception: they got in
... the National Portrait Gallery appear to be sending legal threats
to individual uploaders, after the Foundation ignored their claims as
utterly, utterly specious.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat
The editor in question is US-based.
So. What is WMF's response to
On 11/07/2009, George Herbert wrote:
> Technically, the user could just ignore this - a lawsuit in a UK court
> without relevant jurisdiction, under US law as applies, can be
> ignored. A default judgement against him might be entered, however,
> and that might make future travel to Europe di
2009/7/11 David Gerard :
> It gets better: the editor they sent the threat to is an American.
> So, to recap: A UK organisation is threatening an American with legal
> action over what is unambiguously, in established US law, not a
> copyright violation of any sort.
> I can't
On 11/07/2009, John at Darkstar wrote:
> I sent out a press release earlier today to newspapers in Norway. It was
> sent to around 200 recipients. Perhaps others could do the same thing.
Before doing this, it may be an idea to run prospective press releases
past Jay and Mike. (jwa...@wikimedia.
2009/7/11 Thomas Dalton :
> Would I be right in assuming that you are American? You certainly have
Oh, and Ray is Canadian ;-p
(I had people in the Slashdot thread assuming I was American despite
the davidgerard.co.uk domain ...)
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2009/7/11 John at Darkstar :
> In the case of GalleriNOR several people uploaded images from the site
> without prior agreement with neither NB nor NF. After a while I get in
> touch with them and asked how we should handle the case, what people
> believed was the right thing to do from our side a
2009/7/11 Thomas Dalton :
> Would I be right in assuming that you are American? You certainly have
> that religious view of free speech that is typical of Americans...
> This has nothing to do with suppression of free speech, it has to do
> with being responsible about what you say. I am not a leg
2009/7/11 Tom Maaswinkel :
> Isn't it the best thing to remove the images, like they demand, and let
> someone from the UK Wikimedia foundation contact them about the part where
> they are saying "Our client remains willing to enter into a dialogue with
> the Wikimedia Foundation to discuss terms
2009/7/12 Robert Rohde :
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Tom Maaswinkel
> wrote:
>> The part I am talking about is the part where they say that they want to
>> talk to the Wikimedia Fundation to have a discussion about making
>> low-resolution images of paintings in its collection available!
I was going to call NPG this morning first thing (as a volunteer, to
see what could be reasonably done to avert a public battle - our own
museum/gallery liaison volunteers can really, really do without a
public battle fouling up their ongoing efforts) but was awake all
night with a sick child and s
2009/7/13 Gerard Meijssen :
> From your text I get the impression that it is something special that we put
> annotations about a work with the digital copy. I would argue that this is
> something that we should do with all our material. The annotations that
> exist about a work, the references to
2009/7/17 Harald Krichel :
> Shouldn't we set up our own URL-aliasing service?
> This would also have the advantage that you could be sure that the
> wikimedia shortened urls only lead to wikimedia domains.
I know of:
http://enwp.org/
http://enwn.net/
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2009/7/17 John at Darkstar :
> If we forget about politics and who-did-what, what is the common grounds
> between "us" and "them"? To me it seems like they want us to use their
> material, but that they are scared to let go of a possible income. This
> seems fairly similar to the Galleri NOR -case
2009/7/17 Gregory Maxwell :
> (*) Would not make the Wikimedia Foundation or its community of user
> appear to endorse or support the assertion of copyright on exacting
> reproductions of clearly public domain works. Wikimedia (as far as I
> can tell) and many of its users believes that it would b
2009/7/17 geni :
> Not really. Remember there are a bunch of other collections. Many will
> be looking to use the NPG's business model. National maritime museum,
> Imperial war museum, British library, Various national archives. Can't
> afford to buy them all off.
It's worth noting that governme
2009/7/18 John at Darkstar :
> Sorry, I don't follow you on this one. If the existing business model
> don't work and it should be changed, then work with them to change it
> and make the alternate options viable.
That's what I mean - this issue goes way beyond NPG into how arts
institutions are
2009/7/18 Lars Aronsson :
> Ah, but do governments really say this? I think it's museum
> people who want to "play business" because business is glamorous
> and state-owned administration is dull and grey. I don't think
> governments originally came up with this idea.
I have been told this by W
2009/7/18 Yann Forget :
> geni wrote:
>> 2009/7/18 John at Darkstar :
>>> Sorry, I don't follow you on this one. If the existing business model
>>> don't work and it should be changed, then work with them to change it
>>> and make the alternate options viable.
>> We do not have the capacity to ra
http://www.watchknow.org/
CC-by-sa educational videos for school kids. Currently building up a
head of steam before its official big splash launch:
http://blog.citizendium.org/2009/07/17/garrison-keillor-notices-my-birthday/
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2009/7/18 John at Darkstar :
> Imagine this, if a gallery or museum has a painting of some "Leonard van
> der Olsen-Mozart" (he don't exist, hopefully..) then this museum should
> make sure there is a bio for the person and of his painting of "The
> fallen Madonna with the big bottom", and those s
2009/7/20 Stephen Bain :
>> 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia
>> rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If
>> they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow
>> photographers to maintain the copyright.'"
> We should definitely take advice from
2009/7/21 :
> If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that
> is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising
> non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share
> cropping with Google Ads, using the images to tart up an othe
2009/7/23 Geoffrey Plourde :
> Nothing prevents you from starting your own mailing list if Cary won't. As I
> am not a member of the wikien cesspool, what purpose are you thinking of?
wikien-l is full of useful and relevant stuff about en:wp. It's not
very cesspooly these days, really! Mostly.
http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/16060
Basically, if you cut'n'paste text, it appends a CC credit line to the
pasted text. Obviously the paster can remove it, but it does remind
them this is licensed, not PD.
Worth using for our stuff? A bit obnoxious? What do you think?
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2009/7/25 Milos Rancic :
> I have quite opposite experiences. One of them had become Wikimedian
> with 16-17 and two years later became a steward (by passing elections
> with ~95% of support).
Yes. We must keep in mind that the Wikimedia projects attract some
*ridiculously* smart, clueful and ca
2009/7/25 Felipe Ortega :
> * The main proportion of Featured Articles in all top-ten language versions
> needed, at least, more than 1,000 days (3 years) to reach that level.
Note that FA numbers on en:wp don't indicate a given quailty level -
but a rising quality level. That is, the quality s
Denise from dreamwidth.org - she's talking about software development,
but it's certainly apposite to the discussions here recently:
http://denise.dreamwidth.org/23600.html
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2009/7/31 stevertigo :
> Note also that anytime someone is blocked/moderated from a public or
> open list, its a common-sense requirement that the list be given
> notification of the block/moderation, along with an explanation of
> why. This is standard practice on wikien-l, and I don't quite
> un
2009/7/31 stevertigo :
> My impression is that Wikimedia currently lives year to year on
> donations, and that reserves are sufficient to pay a skeleton crew of
> fundraisers. I'm sure its been discussed before though, but yes, it
> would seem to make sense for Wikimedia - established as its flag
2009/8/7 Milos Rancic :
> More than a year ago Google lunched Knol. It was a sensation then
> (BTW, it was a sensation for more time than Wolfram Alpha was). Today
> I just may say that I don't remember when I heard for the Knol last
> time.
Well, Wolfram Alpha is occasionally actually useful :-
2009/8/7 Gregory Maxwell :
> It's not bad to have an internal pattern, but I think it's more
> important to match the practices in industry.
> By containing the magic words "senior" and "architect" the proposed
> "Senior Software Architect" is, in my experience, not inconsistent
> with industry na
2009/8/10 Mike Godwin :
> But to me the takeaway from this error of Knol's licensing design is not
> that Knol can't work -- it's that it actually could work, if properly
> thought through. So my view right now is the Wikimedia community can't be
> complacent about Knol's apparent failure -- prop
2009/8/10 Fred Bauder :
> Didn't you ever play Monopoly?
The point is that this is not a zero-sum game. If Knol and Citizendium
and OpenSite get it together and rocket to #1, #2 and #3 websites,
that'll be a fulfilment of our mission:
"Imagine a world in which every single human being can freel
2009/8/10 Robert Rohde :
> Some weeks ago I had an opportunity to talk with a Google employee
> about a number of topics. One of the things we discussed was Knol.
> Setting aside the way it may have been marketed in the popular press
> at the time, she suggested that Google does not currently see
2009/8/10 Mike Godwin :
> It's entirely possible for there to be a Gresham's Law with regard to
> collaborative encyclopedias, in my view.
Encyclopedia Dramatica is indeed the only way to keep up with 4chan ...
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2009/8/12 Kat Walsh :
> I'm not sure what the technical challenges you had in mind are, but I
> can think of plenty of reasons to argue against hotlinking and I don't
> want to let the point slip by. A few:
The ones who want hotlinking want it as a way of making the images not
free. l mean, real
2009/8/13 David Goodman :
> I would be exceedingly uncomfortable with us organizing a negative
> campaign against any publisher not actually violating our copyright.
> . A factual campaign, providing information is another matter. It
> would be entirely appropriate for individuals, even in a some
2009/8/14 Renata St :
>> As long as the books give sufficient indication that they are from
>> Wikipedia, ...
> Inside the book -- yes, plenty of indication about copying. But nothing to
> warn you before you buy. People are buying these books tricked into thinking
> it's an original content.
Y
Our logo competitions have landed us such excellent trademarks as the
puzzle globe, the WMF logo and the MediaWiki flower. But most entries
are an excellent demonstration of why graphic designers are paid
money.
This one did make the b3ta newsletter, though. Could be a very
profitable bit of visua
2009/8/14 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen :
> David Gerard wrote:
>> Our logo competitions have landed us such excellent trademarks as the
>> puzzle globe, the WMF logo and the MediaWiki flower. But most entries
>> are an excellent demonstration of why graphic designers are paid
2009/8/14 Renata St :
>> > Inside the book -- yes, plenty of indication about copying. But nothing
>> to
>> > warn you before you buy. People are buying these books tricked into
>> thinking
>> > it's an original content.
>> Yuh. Point it out in reviews etc.
> Exactly, except that there are 2000
When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece
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2009/8/14 Robert Rohde :
> In the specific case of "Bob the flower", the bigger problem is that
> no one has been actively defending its use as a trademark. The more
> examples of use there are unaffiliated with Mediawiki, the more
> difficult it would be to assert that it is a trademark represen
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