[Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Thomas Morton
As a follow up to the discussion about Bitcoins (during the board elections) & accepting them as donations... I thought this article by the EFF explaining why they no longer accept BC sets out some interesting arguments: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bitcoin Tom ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcement: WMF engineering promotions and role changes

2011-06-21 Thread Jon Harald Søby
2011/6/21 Erik Moeller > FYI :-) > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Erik Moeller > Date: Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:58 PM > Subject: Announcement: WMF engineering promotions and role changes > To: Wikimedia developers > > > Hi folks, > > I’m pleased to announce the following prom

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: Projects in simple languages

2011-06-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 06/20/11 2:12 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > The case with Simple English WP is a little more complicated: > http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Simple_English_Wikipedia > Basic English is only one standard they are looking at. > There should be also more consideration about the target group.

[Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Rui Correia
Hi I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ should go on the "discuss" pages, but category discuss pages don't attract much attention. If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will see that quite a number of people are listed in these argua

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Huib Laurens
This should be on wikien-l instead of foundation-l I guess, 2011/6/21, Rui Correia : > Hi > > I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ > should go on the "discuss" pages, but category discuss pages don't attract > much attention. > > If you consult Categories: Sa

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Rui Correia
Dear Huib I edit the WP in English, Portuguese, French, Afrikaans, German, Spanish ... This is happenning in all languages - it is not a WP-E issue. Regards, Rui 2011/6/21 Huib Laurens > This should be on wikien-l instead of foundation-l I guess, > > 2011/6/21, Rui Correia : > > Hi > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
I guess you want to discuss about English Wikipedia category system. The better place for this is wikiEN-l list: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l 2011/6/21 Rui Correia : > Hi > > I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ > should go on the "d

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 10:50, Rui Correia wrote: > I edit the WP in English, Portuguese, French, Afrikaans, German, Spanish ... > This is happenning in all languages - it is not a WP-E issue. Categories work a bit like a hierarchy, a bit like tags. There's a perennial proposal[1] for categories to wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Rui Correia wrote: > I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ > should go on the "discuss" pages, but category discuss pages don't attract > much attention. > > If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Fred Bauder
> Hi > > I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing > would/ > should go on the "discuss" pages, but category discuss pages don't > attract > much attention. > > If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will see > that > quite a number of people are l

Re: [Foundation-l] Projects in simple languages

2011-06-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 12:25 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Thanks for the detailed response. :-) > > Milos Rancic wrote: >> As usual, discussion would be held on Meta. If there are serious >> arguments against creation of Simple French Wikipedia, we would consider >> them, of course. However, "arguments" like "I

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/21/2011 09:11 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > As a follow up to the discussion about Bitcoins (during the board elections) > & accepting them as donations... I thought this article by the EFF > explaining why they no longer accept BC sets out some interesting > arguments: https://www.eff.org/deepl

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Thomas Morton
I'm guessing it is related to a dawning reality that while Bitcoin isn't at the whim of some government it *is* at the whim of "lots of people on the internet". There are major issues there; of a lack of oversight, a lack of security in the market (i.e. the recent hacking and crashinng of the marke

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Mono mium
Supposedly the Bitcoins system was just hacked. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > As a follow up to the discussion about Bitcoins (during the board elections) > & accepting them as donations... I thought this article by the EFF > explaining why they no longer accept BC sets

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 15:13, Mono mium wrote: > Supposedly the Bitcoins system was just hacked. The biggest Bitcoin exchange was apparently hacked, both machines and socially. This is the part of the system that is not immaculately cryptographically sound, i.e. the humans. - d. ___

[Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Lodewijk
Lets try to approach this from another angle. Perhaps simple Wikipedia should not be considered as a different language, but rather as a different project - a simplified Wikipedia. Because the purpose of simple wikipedia's can be debated of course, but one potential is to give more people understa

[Foundation-l] The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 25 – 20 June 2011

2011-06-21 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: WMF Board election results; Indian campus ambassadors gear up; Wikimedia UK plans; Malayalam Wikisource CD; brief news http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-06-20/News_and_notes In the news: Wikipedia could become trusted medical resource; neologism controv

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple Wikipedia: different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Erik Zachte
Another alternative: New 'simple/advanced' keywords which would hide specific sections of the content from the user if he or she asked for it. I envision a Wikipedia (many years from now) which knows you want math articles in a simple version but detailed/advanced coverage of say history items,

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Krinkle
Actually, it is probably best posted to mediawiki-l or wikitech-l as it's about using the software not about the Foundation or about the English Wikipedia in particular. 2011/6/21 Tomasz Ganicz > I guess you want to discuss about English Wikipedia category system. > The better place for this is

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: > On 21 June 2011 10:50, Rui Correia wrote: >> I edit the WP in English, Portuguese, French, Afrikaans, German, Spanish ... >> This is happenning in all languages - it is not a WP-E issue. > > Categories work a bit like a hierarchy, a bit like tags. > > There's a perennial pr

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 17:05, MZMcBride wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> There's a perennial proposal[1] for categories to work like a tag >> system (with efficient Boolean searches) to be incorporated into >> MediaWiki. > If MediaWiki switched to a tags system, we'd lose Commons gems such as > "Categor

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread MZMcBride
Thomas Morton wrote: > As a follow up to the discussion about Bitcoins (during the board elections) > & accepting them as donations... I thought this article by the EFF > explaining why they no longer accept BC sets out some interesting > arguments: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bit

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread robert_horn...@netzero.net
The claims of "Bitcoin advocates" about the legality of the currency have always been questioned. Frankly I don't know of anybody involved with Bitcoins and understood it on a technical level that wasn't also sure that it was simply breaking new ground on both a technological as well as a legal

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 June 2011 17:52, robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: >  I'd be far more worried about the stability of currencies like the U.S. > Dollar and the Euro as their basis in reality is even shakier than Bitcoins, > yet the collapse of either or both currencies could substantially impact the > WM

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread robert_horn...@netzero.net
Actually, it is. I expect Wikipedia to outlast the U.S. Dollar at least in some form, or at least stick around as long as literature like "The Oddessy" and "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and be a part of human culture longer than the civilizations that produced that literature. Why would it be otherw

Re: [Foundation-l] EFF & Bitcoins

2011-06-21 Thread Chris Keating
> Actually, it is. I expect Wikipedia to outlast the U.S. Dollar at least in > some form, or at least stick around as long as literature like "The Oddessy" > and "The Epic of Gilgamesh" and be a part of human culture longer than the > civilizations that produced that literature. Why would it be o

[Foundation-l] Brain Calisthenics for Abstract Ideas

2011-06-21 Thread Marc Riddell
Hi. I realize this has nothing directly to do with the WP Project, but here's an article I thought many of you might find interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/07/health/07learn.html?emc=tnt&tntemail0=y Enjoy. Marc Riddell ___ foundation-l mail

Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 6:26 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 June 2011 16:08, Marco Chiesa wrote: > >> To be honest, when you release your work under cc-by-sa you grant a >> third party the right to reuse a (small or large) part of your work to >> make a derivative work. The license in itself is

Re: [Foundation-l] content ownership in different projects

2011-06-21 Thread Thomas Morton
> A fair comparision, though as with Wikipedia editions I think this varies by language. Even on en.wiki it is not always like that. The major contributors to featured articles ate generally allowed more leeway on content ownership. That's written into th guideline. Tom __