[Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Are there statistics about users' preferences on Wikimedia sites? For example, a statistic that would say things like how many users use every skin and how many users have "Show preview before edit box" disabled. Correct me if i'm wrong, but the defaults for new users never seem to change (except

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread ????
On 01/11/2010 06:12, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 00:02, David Goodman wrote: >> But then it should also be said what studies were NOT funded by the >> manufacturer, and we do not know that,m because most journals do not >> specify--and almost none specified in the past. > > Inform

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 08:54, wrote: > Quite right, the articles in other subjects are polluted with irrelevant > details so why not pollute this class of article too? > > Mention it if it is a major factor in some controversy. For example if a > number of research results are saying that X i

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Risker wrote: > > You don't seem to have read the cited article. And to > be changing the > > subject. Peer review decides what is to be published, > based on quality > > and significance. Errors are made as scientists hold > views as to what > > that is at any particular time

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread wiki-list
mill...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 08:54, wrote: > > Quite right, the articles in other subjects are polluted with irrelevant > > details so why not pollute this class of article too? > > > > Mention it if it is a major factor in some controversy. For example if a > > number of

Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-01 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
On 01/11/10 08:47, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Are there statistics about users' preferences on Wikimedia sites? > > For example, a statistic that would say things like how many users use every > skin and how many users have "Show preview before edit box" disabled. > > Correct me if i'm wrong, but the

Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-01 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 14:26, Ashar Voultoiz wrote: > > On 01/11/10 08:47, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > Are there statistics about users' preferences on Wikimedia sites? > > > > For example, a statistic that would say things like how many users use every > > skin and how many users have "Show previe

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 10/31/2010 7:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > risker...@gmail.com writes: > > > > > >> My point still stands. The drug company *always* pa

[Foundation-l] [Fwd: November 1 Weekly Digest from HealthNewsReview.org]

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
This organization reviews health news. I'm looking at this CNN article on POM: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/10/27/health.pom.drink.labels/index.html and their review: http://www.healthnewsreview.org/review.html?review_id=3286 This issue has been in the news and our articles on pomegranate jui

Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

2010-11-01 Thread Tisza Gergő
Amir E. Aharoni writes: > Are there statistics about users' preferences on Wikimedia sites? > > For example, a statistic that would say things like how many users use every > skin and how many users have "Show preview before edit box" disabled. > > Correct me if i'm wrong, but the defaults for

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread wiki-list
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jay...@gmail.com writes: > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > > In a message dated 10/31/2010 7:10:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > risker...@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > >> My poin

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 7:52:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk writes: > wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/31/2010 9:38:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jay...@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, wrote: > > > > In a mes

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread Arlen Beiler
Precisely my feeling on this. I just recently read that out of over 40 studies on something, only ~7 claimed they had no ill side effects (6 of those being FDA tests). I don't remember where I saw it, but that is basically how it was, I think. It is common knowledge that manufacture funded research

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
> Precisely my feeling on this. I just recently read that out of over 40 > studies on something, only ~7 claimed they had no ill side effects (6 of > those being FDA tests). I don't remember where I saw it, but that is > basically how it was, I think. It is common knowledge that manufacture > funde

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread ????
On 01/11/2010 18:40, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Precisely my feeling on this. I just recently read that out of over 40 >> studies on something, only ~7 claimed they had no ill side effects (6 of >> those being FDA tests). I don't remember where I saw it, but that is >> basically how it was, I think. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
> On 01/11/2010 18:40, Fred Bauder wrote: >>> Precisely my feeling on this. I just recently read that out of over 40 >>> studies on something, only ~7 claimed they had no ill side effects (6 >>> of >>> those being FDA tests). I don't remember where I saw it, but that is >>> basically how it was, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Ryan Kaldari
It is actually becoming somewhat difficult to search for books on obscure subjects on Amazon or Alibris without being completely spammed with matches for "robo-books" automatically generated from Wikipedia articles. Recently, I was doing research for a Wikipedia article on a rather obscure type

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Update on the Public Policy Initiative

2010-11-01 Thread LiAnna Davis
I've just pushed live a new Wikimedia Foundation blog post that provides an update on where we are with the Public Policy Initiative, the pilot program to bring Wikipedia editing into university classrooms. Please check it out if you're interested, especially if you know a professor who would be a

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread KIZU Naoko
Well while Ryan and Fred look having a valid concern, on this particular issue I have no idea what you guys discuss. The article seems to be a full translation of Japanese Wikipedia article which seem to be based on three Japanese books (see "references" in the jawiki article) all in paper, not ro

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread M. Williamson
The issue is that this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6131076278/ is a direct copy of the English Wikipedia article. There are many more books like this made by the same company. 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : > Well while Ryan and Fred look having a valid concern, on this particular issu

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Ryan Kaldari
As has been rightfully pointed out to me, if these robo-book publishers are following the terms of the CC-by-sa licensing (which is doubtful), there isn't really anything we can do about it. I just wonder what will happen to the online book market once wikipedia robo-books become 50% or more of

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > As has been rightfully pointed out to me, if these robo-book publishers > are following the terms of the CC-by-sa licensing (which is doubtful), > there isn't really anything we can do about it. I just wonder what will > happen to the online b

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
> Well while Ryan and Fred look having a valid concern, on this particular > issue > I have no idea what you guys discuss. > > The article seems to be a full translation of Japanese Wikipedia > article which seem to be based on three Japanese books (see > "references" in the jawiki article) all in

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Kaldari > wrote: >> As has been rightfully pointed out to me, if these robo-book publishers >> are following the terms of the CC-by-sa licensing (which is doubtful), >> there isn't really anything we can do about it. I just wonder what will >> happen to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread KIZU Naoko
I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA deeds, is there any room for us to prevent them legally to spread it even in a surprisingly overestimated price? Thought? 2010/11/2 M. Williamson : > The issue is

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread ????
On 01/11/2010 21:24, Fred Bauder wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Kaldari >> wrote: >>> As has been rightfully pointed out to me, if these robo-book publishers >>> are following the terms of the CC-by-sa licensing (which is doubtful), >>> there isn't really anything we can do about i

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Fred Bauder
My thought was for the Foundation to approach Amazon regarding carrying listings of such books which seriously represent their content. as this one does. Such a book approaches fraud. Fred Bauder > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd > rather agree with Ryan: if a

[Foundation-l] Closing the Circle to Published Content (was Re: Evil Book)

2010-11-01 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 11/01/2010 04:08 PM, wrote: > How is this a problem the articles are licensed CC-BY-SA the book is > advertised on Amazon as being a collection of WIKIPEDIA articles. That > someone knowingly spends $50 on it is surely there own fault. > > > Attribution: To re-distribute a text pag

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:36 AM, wrote: >.. > There have been plenty of studies on drugs, which were not paid for, by > anyone with a vested monetary interest in changing the drug's market outlook. > Being flippant as John was, hardly forwards the conversation. The point I was making is that ther

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread geni
On 1 November 2010 21:04, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > As has been rightfully pointed out to me, if these robo-book publishers > are following the terms of the CC-by-sa licensing (which is doubtful), Actually due to the unfortunate terms of use Erik Möller managed to wedge in when we switched over to CC

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread geni
2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd > rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA > deeds, is there any room for us to prevent them legally to spread it > even in a surprisingly overestimated price? Thought? Sure. F

[Foundation-l] The Signpost – Volume 6 Issue 4 4 – 1 November 2010

2010-11-01 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Foundation's finances, geodata milestone, interim counsel, museum conference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-11-01/News_and_notes In the news: Airplane construction with Wikipedia, lessons from the strategy project, logic over rhetoric http://en.wikip

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 6:57:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, geni...@gmail.com writes: > Sure. Find an article with a french author and bring moral rights into > play.>> > That isn't enough, because *you* would have no standing. You'd be thrown out, and the WMF isn't likely to want to be th

Re: [Foundation-l] Misplaced Reliance, was Re: Paid editing, was Re: Ban and...

2010-11-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/1/2010 6:16:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jay...@gmail.com writes: > The PLOS Medicine article is based on a dataset of 78 interventional > studies, 81 observational studies, and only 47 scientific reviews. > Also, they do not dissect the data based on the reputability of th

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 02:57:10 geni написа: > 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : > > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd > > rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA > > deeds, is there any room for us to prevent them legally to spread it > > e

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing the Circle to Published Content (was Re: Evil Book)

2010-11-01 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 00:48:06 Robert S. Horning написа: > The problem here is that the publisher is being deceptive as to the > origin of the content and how it was put together. Since I haven't seen > the book itself and can only react to what is on the amazon.com. I > guess this is a "

Re: [Foundation-l] Closing the Circle to Published Content (was Re: Evil Book)

2010-11-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 00:48:06 Robert S. Horning написа: >> The problem here is that the publisher is being deceptive as to the >> origin of the content and how it was put together.  Since I haven't seen >> the book itself and can o

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread geni
On 2 November 2010 03:53, Nikola Smolenski wrote: > Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 02:57:10 geni написа: >> 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : >> > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd >> > rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA >> > deeds, is there a

Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book

2010-11-01 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: > My thought was for the Foundation to approach Amazon regarding carrying > listings of such books which seriously represent their content. as this > one does. Such a book approaches fraud. > Agreed. There is no *obligation* for Amazon to distri