Sage Ross wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, wrote:
>>
>> If someone write a piece of music and releases it under a CC-BY-SA
>> license, they can also allow uses under other conditions. Now assume
>> that you hear that music in some TV advert is the advert CC-BY-SA? Not
>> if the creator of
Reminder: Strategic Planning office hours will happen at:
04:00-05:00 UTC, Wednesday, Sept 9.
That is:
Tuesday, 9-10pm PDT
Wednesday, 12am-1am EDT
We'll meet in the channel #wikimedia-strategy on IRC. More details
are available at http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours
We will
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM, wrote:
>
> The last time someone just said 'Creative Commons license' on one of my
> pics they were linking back to the flickr page which has the CC license
> link. Now most dont bother saying CC though they do link back to the
> flickr photopage, the information i
Hello,
We wanted to have a more informal forum for discussing Wikimedia
issues with Board members, so the three new Wikimedia Trustees (Arne,
Matt, and myself) are hosting an open meeting on IRC in #wikimedia
this Friday.
Where : #wikimedia
When : Friday September 11, 1800-1900 UTC
On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Samuel J Klein wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We wanted to have a more informal forum for discussing Wikimedia
> issues with Board members, so the three new Wikimedia Trustees (Arne,
> Matt, and myself) are hosting an open meeting on IRC in #wikimedia
> this Friday.
>
> Where : #wik
Hello Mike,
> Great idea! I hope that this is the first of many. I'd love to
> attend, but won't be able to at that time. Will logs/minutes of the
> meeting be made available after the event?
Yes, minutes will be available. I'm thinking of announcing in the
channel before and after for people wh
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Klein wrote:
[snip]
> Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the
> minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do
> this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
Doesn't the board have a role designated to take minutes at m
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Klein wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the
>> minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do
>> this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
>>
> Doesn't the board
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct
> business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a
> chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not
> sure it's meaningful to have
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct
>> business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a
>> chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not
2009/9/8 Anthony :
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Brian wrote:
>>
>> I don't know what these laws are, but my first guess is that the foundation
>> doesn't plan to actually hire anyone who responds to the ad, but must post
>> the ad in order to conform to equal opportunity employment laws?
>
>
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Mike Godwin wrote:
> sfmammamia writes:
> >
> >
> > A bit of a mystery -- in Sunday's San Francisco Chronicle, page E-8,
> > there's
> > an ad for the Wikimedia Foundation Head of Communications position. This
> ad
> > does not appear online, at least I could not f
sfmammamia writes:
>
>
> A bit of a mystery -- in Sunday's San Francisco Chronicle, page E-8,
> there's
> an ad for the Wikimedia Foundation Head of Communications position. This ad
> does not appear online, at least I could not find a companion posting,
> either on the foundation site or on Yahoo
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Brian wrote:
>
> I don't know what these laws are, but my first guess is that the foundation
> doesn't plan to actually hire anyone who responds to the ad, but must post
> the ad in order to conform to equal opportunity employment laws?
I assume Jay Walsh isn't a
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>>
>>> It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct
>>> business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a
>>> chance to have a discussion with
2009/9/7 Bod Notbod :
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>> That would describe the person who started this thread, who has stated
>> elsewhere that anything whatsoever he does on any WMF site is only for
>> the purpose of trolling.
> Was that the form of words used?
> I'd be i
The question isn't "Is there more we could do?" because there most
certainly is. The question is "Is there more we want to do?" We need
to decide what really is the scope of the Wikimedia movement. We never
really made that decision before starting the existing projects and
just started any project
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:35, David Goodman wrote:
>
> > There is sufficient missing material in every Wikipedia, sufficient
> > lack of coverage of areas outside the primary language zone and in
> > earlier periods, sufficient unsourced materia
2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez :
> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>
> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
be better about a Wikimedia version?
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On 9/8/09 3:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez:
>> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>>
>> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
>> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
>
> Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
> be better about
Thanks for bringing this up, Mike. I think WikiReview sounds like a
great idea, WikiJournal sounds like it would suffer from a number of
very serious flaws, WikiWrite could be interesting, and that there are
probably a number of other project ideas that are equally interesting
but not necessarily i
On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:35, David Goodman wrote:
> There is sufficient missing material in every Wikipedia, sufficient
> lack of coverage of areas outside the primary language zone and in
> earlier periods, sufficient unsourced material; sufficient need for
> updating articles, sufficient potentia
In the thread "WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?"
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Austin Hair wrote:
(to Gregory Kohs)
[snip]
> I've placed you on indefinite
> moderation with the goal of improving the signal:crazy ratio.
With something like 40 posts made to that thread after Mr. Kohs' last
Michael Peel wrote:
[cut]
> ** A few of my favourite examples: WikiJournal, publishing scholarly
> works;
These works are welcomed on Wikisource, if they are under a free
license, of course.
> WikiReview, providing in-depth reviews of subjects;
I think this can be hosted on Wikibooks or Wikiv
Software programs (including smartphone apps), products (with UPC codes),
companies, organizations, restaurants, movies, books, video games, web
sites, libraries, elementary schools, points of interest. All the things
removed from Wikipedia by those mean old deletionists. Original research.
But
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
> As such, it's time to try something different.
What do you suggest? Are there models from other mailing list
communities that we should experiment with to create a healthier, more
productive discussion culture? What, based on your own experience of
this list, would you
on 9/8/09 8:18 PM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't think that this sort of moderation has been common in the
> past, but I think the moderation of Greg Kohs went a bit far - and for
> the reasons outlined by Greg Maxwell.
>
> Nathan
I agree with you, Nathan. And I also agree with Mr
+1
On 2009-09-09, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> In the thread "WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?"
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Austin Hair wrote:
> (to Gregory Kohs)
> [snip]
>> I've placed you on indefinite
>> moderation with the goal of improving the signal:crazy ratio.
>
> With somethin
I don't think that this sort of moderation has been common in the
past, but I think the moderation of Greg Kohs went a bit far - and for
the reasons outlined by Greg Maxwell.
Nathan
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
>
> Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
> to
2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
to engage in - especially considering that project ideas are often
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Yann Forget wrote:
> Michael Peel wrote:
> [cut]
>
>> ** A few of my favourite examples: WikiJournal, publishing scholarly
>> works;
>
> These works are welcomed on Wikisource, if they are under a free
> license, of course.
And if they are beyond the scope of Wikiso
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>
> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need to
> be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value by
> attracting a community and
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> From: Gregory Maxwell
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 6:05 PM
> In the thread "WMF seeking to
> sub-lease office space?"
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Au
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Erik Moeller wrote:
> Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
> to engage in
Another issue is that all our projects use the MediaWiki platform (and
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> I'd prefer that moderation of this list be used as a last resort to
> maintain civil discourse and not as a tool to impose an external view
> of the desired traffic volume and especially not in a way which could
> be construed as prohibiting
2009/9/8 Austin Hair :
> In Buenos Aires I had multiple people ask (even practically beg) me to
> do something about foundation-l. One person said "fucking moderate
> foundation-l, already!"—to which I explained why I didn't think that
> moderating individuals was a solution, but had to admit tha
Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
Covering: June 2009
Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
MILESTONES FROM JUNE
1. Finalization and approval of the 2009-10 Annual Pla
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Austin Hair wrote:
> I've created http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l for
> brainstorming of how to make this list a little bit less of a
> cesspool.
>
Austin, your page says nothing about the kinds of conversations you would
like to see on found
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Brian wrote:
> Austin, your page says nothing about the kinds of conversations you would
> like to see on foundation-l.
You're right, it doesn't. I don't see it as my place to dictate, and
I'm looking for most of the input to come from others.
I do, however, hope
Sorry for top-posting, Brian. (I'm walking home, am on my Blackberry.)
I don't feel super-comfortable posting on behalf of the staff, but I think it's
fair to say that some of the staff are a little afraid to engage on
foundation-l --- it can be intimidating, especially for new people. I think t
John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>
>> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
>> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need to
>> be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value b
On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> I think we should stop using this outdated technology altogether and
> instead switch to a web-based forum, where comments can be
> postmoderated (i.e. removed after posting), and unproductive threads
> can be moved or locked.
+me - and I would
Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell :
>> As such, it's time to try something different.
>
> What do you suggest? Are there models from other mailing list
> communities that we should experiment with to create a healthier, more
> productive discussion culture? What, based on your own exp
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
> I think we should stop using this outdated technology altogether and
> instead switch to a web-based forum, where comments can be
> postmoderated (i.e. removed after posting), and unproductive threads
> can be moved or locked.
>
I only find t
Austin Hair extended me the courtesy of taking me out of the moderated
posting queue.
In light of my recent blogging gaffe (though amended the same day my error
was confirmed), I look forward to continuing my message of pressing for
ethical and professional non-profit governance, with a tone and s
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:44 AM, Austin Hair wrote:
> I've created http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l for
> brainstorming of how to make this list a little bit less of a
> cesspool. Please feel free to ignore the initial thoughts I banged
> out as a starting point and refactor as
2009/9/8 Brian :
> Some of us feel
> that the foundation has become out of our reach. That no matter how much we
> discuss and try to reach consensus it will just be too hard, or there will
> be a lack of interest in our consensus at the foundation, for any real
> change to happen. You practically
Hoi,
I am glad that this is seen as obvious. The language committee has never
involved itself in assessing new project proposals. It does not have the
inclination to do so and I am glad that this is understood.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/9 Michael Snow
> John Vandenberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep
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