Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, While I agree that these numbers are interesting, they typically only show what they highlight. When you consider "featured articles" you will find that many Wikipedias do not have featured articles. For some Wikipedias it is hard to establish yourself as a Wikipedian when you are a teenager w

Re: [Foundation-l] Two Ways to Wikipedia - a concept for more effective editing

2009-07-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What you describe is an additional hurdle to become an editor. This is something that a community can consider only when it has a certain maturity. To me it gives the impression of an elitist approach to being a Wikipedian. The only reason I see why such a hurdle might be considered beneficial

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Sunday 26 July 2009 07:22:06 Henning Schlottmann написа: > Mark Williamson wrote: > > Do you have data to back this up? For the record, I'll be 20 in August > > and the main areas I edited were pages about cultures, countries, and > > languages since I was about 15. > > Great. And I never deni

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
> The whole thread is about long-term sustainability. At least, I > started it with this intention, mentioning that WMF started to work on > that (Strategy plan). Am I right understanding your words following way: This thread was started as PR action for WMF Strategy plan? :-P On Sun, Jul 26, 20

Re: [Foundation-l] linux.conf.au Call for Papers are now open

2009-07-26 Thread Brianna Laugher
Hi everyone: The linux.conf.au deadline is now on the 31 July at 0500 UTC (1700 New Zealand time). Other times around the world can be found at http://tinyurl.com/lca10cfp --- Announcement from http://www.lca2010.org.nz/media/news/65 WELLINGTON, New Zealand – Friday 24 July 2009 – The L

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> The whole thread is about long-term sustainability. At least, I >> started it with this intention, mentioning that WMF started to work on >> that (Strategy plan). > > Am I right understanding your words following way: > This thread was start

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread geni
2009/7/26 Henning Schlottmann : > geni wrote: > >> English wikipedia has 2.9 million articles and far more words and can >> still have things added to it by teenagers. And it's not just >> different inclusion standards. For example [[Langstone]] meets any >> reasonable inclusion standards. De does

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread wiki-lists
Henning Schlottmann wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: > > We need to recruit people who are willing to contribute for a few winter > months. And maybe - just maybe - continue in spring or return next year > again. Wikipedia was always intended for drive-by editing: Readers, who > correct a fact, add so

[Foundation-l] On attracting newbies and making them effective

2009-07-26 Thread David Gerard
Denise from dreamwidth.org - she's talking about software development, but it's certainly apposite to the discussions here recently: http://denise.dreamwidth.org/23600.html - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscrib

[Foundation-l] Strategic Planning "Office Hours"

2009-07-26 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi folks, Thanks to all who dropped in on our "office hours" on IRC last Tuesday. Eugene and I really enjoyed chatting with people and hearing your thoughts. We had a few comments that it would be nice if there was an alternative time for people who were in substantially different time z

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-07-26 Thread effe iets anders
Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here. Thanks. Lodewijk 2009/7/18 Peter Jacobi > On dewiki there is a discussion whether the Ombudsman commission does > fulfill its mission. > > > http://d

Re: [Foundation-l] Two Ways to Wikipedia - a concept for more effective editing

2009-07-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank's Henning and Gerard for pointing out where my concept was insufficiently explained. I don't think about asking newbies to turn in a CV, but to bring them from the beginning into a senseful contact with more experienced users. And from my experience at de.wp I don't believe that there would b

[Foundation-l] Call for candidates closing

2009-07-26 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi folks, This is a reminder that July 27 is the final day to present yourself as a candidate for the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees. Candidate submissions must be in by 23:59 (UTC) tomorrow. Voting will begin at the earliest practical point on July 28 (hopefully shortly after

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for candidates closing

2009-07-26 Thread Casey Brown
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > election, so practically speaking I would encourage any remaining > candidates to present themselves very soon. > ...especially since their statement needs to be translated into ~40 languages and last minute entries make a *ton* more wor

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Mark Williamson
Do you have statistics to prove that they are "few", or that they will find Wikipedia on their own and we don't need to recruit them? Mark On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Henning Schlottmann wrote: > Mark Williamson wrote: >> Do you have data to back this up? For the record, I'll be 20 in Augus

[Foundation-l] A brief, high level analysis of the total number of contributors and the anatomy of a decision

2009-07-26 Thread Brian
These are some excellent mailing list and Wikipedia stats that Erik has cooked up/refreshed, although kind of a pain to do meta-analysis on. You can however paste the html tables into OpenOffice Calc which is nice (after some serious complaints from your cpu!). The csv format was not very fun. htt

Re: [Foundation-l] A brief, high level analysis of the total number of contributors and the anatomy of a decision

2009-07-26 Thread Marc Riddell
on 7/26/09 9:47 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: > These are some excellent mailing list and Wikipedia stats that Erik has > cooked up/refreshed, although kind of a pain to do meta-analysis on. You can > however paste the html tables into OpenOffice Calc which is nice (after some > se

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Henning Schlottmann wrote: > geni wrote: > >> English wikipedia has 2.9 million articles and far more words and can >> still have things added to it by teenagers. And it's not just >> different inclusion standards. For example [[Langstone]] meets any >> reasonable i

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-26 Thread Robert Rohde
Bleh. When did this become an either-or proposition? You go recruit retired professionals. I'll go recruit young people. Someone else can recruit soccer moms, and yet another person can go after teachers. Everybody wins. The only way to lose is if either: A) You believe one of these groups sh