Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing transition: opposing points of view

2009-03-31 Thread Milos Rancic
I don't want to open a new thread because I have on my mind something related to this issue, while it is not connected directly to the present license migration. At the other side, it is a licensing question of the future. Because some articles have thousands of editors, usually it is not reasonab

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-31 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> CC'd this to Foundation-l. > Would you mind adding links to the former and present dsiscussions? Not all of us are en.wp discussion regulars. Thanks Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://l

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The Encarta people were very unprecise about what they are going to do in future... So, this means that there remains no big encyclopedia but ours? Except Britannica? And what about the situation in French, Italian etc., has anyone an overview about that? Then I also ask myself in how far this evol

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2009/3/31 Ziko van Dijk : > So, this means that there remains no big encyclopedia but ours? Except > Britannica? And what about the situation in French, Italian etc., has anyone > an overview about that? Enciclopèdia Catalana [1] is a very good free-as-in-beer online encyclopedia in the Catalan La

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > The Encarta people were very unprecise about what they are going to do in > future... > So, this means that there remains no big encyclopedia but ours? Except > Britannica? And what about the situation in French, Italian etc., has anyone > a

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-31 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > CC'd this to Foundation-l. > > > Would you mind adding links to the former and present dsiscussions? Not > all of us are en.wp discussion regulars. > > Thanks > Cheers > Yaroslav > > > 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Fl

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Waerth
Tomorrow is April 1st ... > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Ziko van Dijk > wrote: > >> The Encarta people were very unprecise about what they are going to do in >> future... >> So, this means that there remains no big encyclopedia but ours? Except >> Britannica? And what about the situ

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Domas Mituzas
> Tomorrow is April 1st ... what is special about it? gmail birthday? -- Domas Mituzas -- http://dammit.lt/ -- [[user:midom]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listin

[Foundation-l] PGP-keysign at the tech/chapter-meeting

2009-03-31 Thread DaB.
Hello all, I think that when such a number of people come together it would be nice to have a key-signing in Berlin. If you have no idea, what a key-signing is, look at the wikipedia-article [[en:Key_signing_party]]. If you don't own a pgp-key yet and are an linux-user there are several how-tos

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Maybe we could use that $20,000 that Philip Greenspun donated back in 2007 to purchase the Encarta illustrations (since it doesn't appear that that money is ever going to be used otherwise). Ryan Kaldari On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> Tomorrow is April 1st ... > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread David Levy
Ryan Kaldari wrote: > Maybe we could use that $20,000 that Philip Greenspun donated back in > 2007 to purchase the Encarta illustrations (since it doesn't appear > that that money is ever going to be used otherwise). $20,000 means practically nothing to Microsoft. It's far more likely that they

Re: [Foundation-l] [Toolserver-l] PGP-keysign at the tech/chapter-meeting

2009-03-31 Thread Platonides
There's another way to do a key-signing, faster than 1-to-1. You have everyone have a list and each one presents itself, giving their fingerprint. I guess you'll have a brief introduction at the beginning where everyone presents himself? If you were to say "I'm Daniel (aka as DaB), the evil toolser

Re: [Foundation-l] NYTimes article: Exploring Fact City

2009-03-31 Thread Nemo_bis
David Gerard, 29/03/2009 21:14: > 2009/3/29 The Cunctator : > >> A lovely article. The only pity is it doesn't note how much of this social >> theory of wikis owes to Sunir Shah's pioneering work on MeatballWiki. > > > MeatballWiki is all but unknown to most Wikipedians, let alone the > outside

[Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I have done this interview for [[de:Wikipedia:Kurier]] and translated it to German, but originally it is in English and so I thought that I can also s

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread David Moran
*No, there will be no edit wars at all! There will be no quarrels, no uncertainties, no cybermobbing* Oh, I can't wait to see THIS. DM On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco > who is dealing

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread Marcus Buck
I would appreciate, if we do not put cultural non-universal April 1 jokes on an international list. Perhaps you had fun, I have none. Marcus Buck User:Slomox Ziko van Dijk hett schreven: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San Francisco > who is dealing with

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki Kimura. -Dan On Mar 31, 2009, at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > A couple of days ago I have contacted our project manager in San > Francisco > who is dealing with the improvement of the usability of Wikipedia. I > have

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread Casey Brown
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki Kimura. > *cough* It's not real Dan. :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will proba

[Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Al Tally
Hi all I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or anywhere, and it has become policy, going against Wikimedia's "free cont

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-03-31 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Fail reading comprehension is fail. I submit myself to lose. -Dan On Mar 31, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Dan Rosenthal > wrote: >> Just a point of information: Her name is Naoko Komura, not Naoki >> Kimura. >> > > *cough* It's not real Dan. :-) >

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Al Tally wrote: > Hi all > > I just came across this[1] policy on Commons, which states that from today, > non-free content is going to be allowed to be uploaded on Commons. I'm > rather shocked that this was pushed through without any notice here, or > anywhere, a

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-31 Thread Nathan
Well, the poll was closed with 80% support. It probably should have been extended, if for no other reasons than that votes continued to come in at a pretty good clip and there is no pressing reason to close it on deadline. If I were a developer or a WMF executive, I might pause at implementing a p

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread David Levy
> April's fools alredy? *sigh* Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future e-mails from Al Tally (with whom my interactions have been uniformly negative). ___ foun

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Al Tally
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM, David Levy wrote: > > April's fools alredy? *sigh* > > Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse > of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future > e-mails from Al Tally (with whom my interactions have been uniformly > n

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Al Tally wrote: > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:59 AM, David Levy wrote: > > > > April's fools alredy? *sigh* > > > > Apparently. As I have no desire to have my time wasted by such abuse > > of the mailing list, I've created a filter to delete any future > > e-mails f

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez : > you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly > jokes on december 28 Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As long as it is just one day a year, it's a bit of fun. If people started doing it on random days, obvious

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez : > > you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly > > jokes on december 28 > > Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As > long as it is just one day a year, it'

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez : > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> 2009/4/1 Pedro Sanchez : >> > you'd be annoyed if you started getting lots of bogus messages and silly >> > jokes on december 28 >> >> Yes, because December 28 isn't the traditional day for such things. As >> long

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > This is a (predominantly) English-language mailing list, so using > those traditions used in the English-speaking world seems to make > sense to me. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundat

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Austin Hair
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:48 AM, Maria Fanucchi wrote: > RIP Encarta. > For better or for worse, it was for many people, especially children, the > first encyclopedia they ever encountered. It may eventually have sparked the > interest of, and inspired, more than a few Wikipedians. The first ency

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread David Levy
Pedro Sanchez wrote: > Of course, wasting resources on april 1st is very sensical. > > And who cares about purported reach to the whole world and all that fancy > words > let's bother them with our idiotic pranks becuase we are majority and > thereforewe have the right to do so > > Very good attit

Re: [Foundation-l] Encarta is dead

2009-03-31 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Then I also ask myself in how far this evolution is to be credited mainly > to > Wikipedia, or has it been "the Internet" in general that killed the > dead-tree-encyclopedias. The personal computer killed the dead-tree encyclopedia. But En

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-03-31 Thread Birgitte SB
-- On Tue, 3/31/09, Nathan wrote: > From: Nathan > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2 > To: "English Wikipedia" , "Wikimedia Foundation > Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 7:50 PM > Well, the poll was closed with 80% > support. It probably should have

[Foundation-l] Frustration with the conversion engines issue

2009-03-31 Thread Milos Rancic
For a couple of years I am talking to different people inside of WMF about the need for solving conversion engines issue systematically. However, all of the responses which I am getting are non-understanding (in better cases) or silence. == Why do we need conversion engines? == Unlike, for exampl

Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons

2009-03-31 Thread Birgitte SB
--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Pedro Sanchez wrote: > From: Pedro Sanchez > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Non-free content on Commons > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 9:48 PM > On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:45 PM, > Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > > > > > This is a (pre