Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Brian wrote: > I'm not really clear on what a link is. You specify it as a URL, but a > URL alone does not constitute a link. A link is the rendering of this > code: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page";>label > > But the proposed attribution guideline says

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the > language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining > some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the > meantime, I'd appreciate it if

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller : > Here's a first crack at revised attribution language. When the > language is completely finalized, I'll send a separate note explaining > some of our reasoning for this general approach in more detail. In the > meantime, I'd appreciate it if you could point out any bugs i

Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource

2009-03-11 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> Hello, > > I think this is a communety thing. Its to bad that you lost your > adminship but why should people from other projects step in? > I mean this is something on the en.source not a global thing. > huib > > -- I have no idea of the en.ws situation, nor do I want to have any idea, but I wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource

2009-03-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I think this is a communety thing. Its to bad that you lost your >> adminship but why should people from other projects step in? >> I mean this is something on the en.source not a global thing. >> huib >> >> -- > > I have

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Mark (Markie)
> We also > received major gifts totaling USD 94m. > > :O is this a typo or is it actually correct? Also if its possible could we have slightly more info about who the donations were from and whether they were targeted/restricted to any use? regards mark __

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Nathan
I'm curious about the plans behind meeting with branding specialists. What is the Foundation looking to achieve? Wider brand recognition of the Foundation itself (as opposed to the English Wikipedia)? Research into brand penetration and audience perception, that sort of thing? Nathan _

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/11 Nathan : > I'm curious about the plans behind meeting with branding specialists. What > is the Foundation looking to achieve? Wider brand recognition of the > Foundation itself (as opposed to the English Wikipedia)? Research into brand > penetration and audience perception, that sort of t

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Sue Gardner wrote: > Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] > From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been cut (by a software bug) at the line starting with "From", http://lists.wikimedia.or

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Chad
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Lars Aronsson wrote: > Sue Gardner wrote: > >> Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] >> From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. > > It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been > cut (by a software b

[Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Mike Linksvayer wrote: > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM, geni wrote: > > 2009/3/6 Mike Linksvayer : > >> Yes. > >> > >> Mike (not the CC counsel but just spoke to her) > > > > And what was the exact wording of the question asked and what was the > > line of reas

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Jay Walsh
I'd be happy to field that. At this stage it's very simply conversations with those who have a deeper understanding of brand, brand architecture, and brand development. You raise probably the most important point of discussion (which has been around for a long time, I'm sure) - How do the

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Anthony wrote: > I see you've posted a blog post ( > http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13232) which suggests that > attribution by link was added in 2.5.  You point to this a blog post by Mia > Garlick (http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/5447) announcing

Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource

2009-03-11 Thread Birgitte SB
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, John Vandenberg wrote: > From: John Vandenberg > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Pissed off at en:Wikisource > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 3:49 AM > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:05 PM, > Yaroslav M. Blanter > wrote: > >> Hello, >

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Platonides
Lars Aronsson wrote: > Sue Gardner wrote: > >> Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees [...] >> From December 9-15, Jimmy Wales and Sue Gardner visited India. > > It is great to read this report. But the archived version has been > cut (by a software bug) at the line starting with "

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Mike Linksvayer wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Anthony wrote: > > I see you've posted a blog post ( > > http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/13232) which suggests that > > attribution by link was added in 2.5. You point to this a blog post by > Mi

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Ryan Kaldari
> "either by, at your choice, including" "at your choice" is unnecessarily verbose. The sentence has the same meaning without the extra clause. Ryan Kaldari ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Anthony wrote: > In 1.0 and 2.0 I assume the appropriate section is 4(d). > Nevermind that, it's 4(c). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/list

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Mark (Markie) : > > >> We also >> received major gifts totaling USD 94m. >> >> > > :O is this a typo or is it actually correct? Sadly, it is a typo. The correct amount is 94K. > Also if its possible could we > have slightly more info about who the donations were from and whether they

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Lars Aronsson : > Since the report was distributed just fine, I think that Mailman > is fine, but the bug hides somewhere in Pipermail 0.09.  It is > perhaps related to "^From " being a message separator in the mbox > format. I noticed this as well; I'll try resending the report with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Sue Gardner
2009/3/11 Mark (Markie) : > >> >> We also >> received major gifts totaling USD 94m. >> > > > :O is this a typo or is it actually correct? Also if its possible could we > have slightly more info about who the donations were from and whether they > were targeted/restricted to any use? Erik is a f

[Foundation-l] (Resend) Report the the Board, December 2008

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
[Resending for archival purposes on Sue's behalf; also fixed typo: 94m->94K --Erik] Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: December 2008 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board o

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/10 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > Erik Moeller wrote: >> b) a link to an >> alternative online copy which is freely accessible and conforms with >> the license and includes a list a list of all authors, > > What is the purpose of the wording "and > includes a list a list of all authors," ? b) in

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/10 Sage Ross : > This is unclear.  "but must otherwise" can be read to apply only to > rich media that are 5+ collaborations and for which a reuser chooses > not to use the above "same fashion" author list.  But I assume > "attributed in the manner specified by the uploader" ought to apply >

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Ryan Kaldari : >> "either by, at your choice, including" > > "at your choice" is unnecessarily verbose. The sentence has the same > meaning without the extra clause. Removed it from the draft. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 Bence Damokos : > From an attribution point of view, the definition of "full list of authors" > that excludes very small contributions is not really acceptable to me. > Imagine, that Joe only corrects spelling mistakes: arguably very small > contributions - you wouldn't say he is the auth

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 geni : > Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of authors. Only if you want your copy to be a "link-creditable" copy, you would need to do so. > and moveing > article titles would result in some interesting leg

Re: [Foundation-l] Biographies of Living People: a quick interim update

2009-03-11 Thread David Goodman
I exactly agree with Brigette on this one. This is the way to treat all articles on their actual merits. But in many cases the subject himself will come to the afd and express an opinion, and we can not prevent that. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > > > --- On Mon, 3/9/09,

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution by URL reasoning?

2009-03-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
Anthony wrote: > In 1.0 and 2.0 I assume the appropriate section is 4(d). The > change from 1.0 to 2.0 adds a requirement to specify a URL. Copyright (and also the European author's rights / Urheberrecht) used to be all about making copies, presumably physical copies. In trials such as the on

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia too centralised? (was Re: Attribution by URL reasoning?)

2009-03-11 Thread David Gerard
[I've changed the subject line.] 2009/3/11 Lars Aronsson : > If the content is free, people don't need to drink from our > watertap. It's the water that's important, not the tap. We could > have a minimal webserver to receive new edits. Serving replication > feeds to a handful of media corporat

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller : > 2009/3/11 geni : >> Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain > > Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of > authors. Only if you want your copy to be a "link-creditable" copy, > you would need to do so. Is provideing credit reasonable

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/11 geni : >> Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of >> authors. Only if you want your copy to be a "link-creditable" copy, >> you would need to do so. > Is provideing credit reasonable to the medium or means an additional > requirement? No; the attribution terms me

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread geni
2009/3/11 Erik Moeller : > 2009/3/11 geni : >>> Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of >>> authors. Only if you want your copy to be a "link-creditable" copy, >>> you would need to do so. > >> Is provideing credit reasonable to the medium or means an additional >> requireme

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/3/10 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > >> Erik Moeller wrote: >> >>> b) a link to an >>> alternative online copy which is freely accessible and conforms with >>> the license and includes a list a list of all authors, >>> >> What is the purpose of the wording "and >

[Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: January 2009

2009-03-11 Thread Sue Gardner
Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Covering: January 2009 Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation Prepared for: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees MY CURRENT PRIORITIES 1. World Economic Forum at Davos 2. Annual fundrais

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: January 2009

2009-03-11 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees > > Covering:               January 2009 Btw, Brion, this last one had the same problem... maybe it just hates Sue? (Sending to list too, because there's no doubt someone else will notice t

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/3/11 geni : > >> Importing wikipedia content would be an absolute pain >> > > Why? The language doesn't require you to include a full list of > authors. Only if you want your copy to be a "link-creditable" copy, > you would need to do so. > > The language of t

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/3/11 Bence Damokos : > >> From an attribution point of view, the definition of "full list of authors" >> that excludes very small contributions is not really acceptable to me. >> Imagine, that Joe only corrects spelling mistakes: arguably very small >> contributions -

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Brian wrote: > I'm not really clear on what a link is. You specify it as a URL, but a > URL alone does not constitute a link. A link is the rendering of this > code: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page";>label > > But the proposed attribution guideline says absolutely nothing about > what th

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposed revised attribution language

2009-03-11 Thread Angela
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> Nope. Not as long as the deletion button continues to exist. > > We already make deletion logs visible to everyone; is there any reason > why we shouldn't do the same with contribution histories other than > the occasional case where they inc