I've been wondering if we could identify different users somehow, what
kind of role they had in writing of the article - especially who did the
research and who did the writing, and what kind of trust (reputation)
they have.
The academic emphasis is something they brag loudly about, but it seems
a
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM, John at Darkstar wrote:
> I've been wondering if we could identify different users somehow, what
> kind of role they had in writing of the article - especially who did the
> research and who did the writing, and what kind of trust (reputation)
> they have.
>
> The
Hoi,
What would you achieve by doing that and, what would it mean for our down
stream users ? In my opinion this is not where we want to go at all.
Thanks,
gerardM
2009/2/26 Andre Engels
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM, John at Darkstar wrote:
> > I've been wondering if we could identi
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> What would you achieve by doing that and, what would it mean for our down
> stream users ? In my opinion this is not where we want to go at all.
What it would achieve is that the reader has more of an idea who wrote
what he is read
Hoi,
Ok let me rephrase my question, what would the benefit be to the reader ? In
my opinion there is no benefit. The fact that this information can be found
in the history data is sufficient. There is no obvious way who to include
and why. For instance there are some who do not rate the person who
Adding authors, even if they write under pseudonyms, gives due credit as
described in the copyright laws of several countries and also gives
those persons added cultural capital. I guess someone can elaborate
about how cultural capital and economic capital can be traded, and how
this can offset the
Civility, like courtesy, is contagious - it begins with you.
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Hoi,
Due credit is given. It is given to the extend that the amount of attention
and detail is unparalleled.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/26 John at Darkstar
> Adding authors, even if they write under pseudonyms, gives due credit as
> described in the copyright laws of several countries and also
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Felipe Ortega wrote:
> Mmmm, sorry but then, I'm afraid that you missed some messages over the
> past year and a half on Wikitech-l, eagerly asking for the whole version of
> the English dump.
>
By demand I meant something a bit more than making demands. I meant
Hoi,
People have publicly said that they were willing to provide hardware or
developers to work on this. The thing is that such offers have not been
accepted.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/26 Anthony
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Felipe Ortega >wrote:
>
> > Mmmm, sorry but then, I'm afra
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
>
> People have publicly said that they were willing to provide hardware or
> developers to work on this. The thing is that such offers have not been
> accepted.
Accepted by whom? Co-lo a box on the Internet, and ask the Foundation for
perm
Making publicly available a dump without full information required by
the GNU FDL is - at least according German law - a copyright
violation. I am due a confidentiality obligation unable to give
details on a conflict case in which my German lawyer got financial
compensation for me.
Klaus Graf
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Well, quite a number of people (including me) do not agree with you on
that point.
Gerard Meijssen skrev:
> Hoi,
> Due credit is given. It is given to the extend that the amount of attention
> and detail is unparalleled.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> 2009/2/26 John at Darkstar
>
>> Adding author
Hoi,
What point, I made two.
- the amount of attention and detail is unparaleled
- due credit is given
I think you are of the opinion that not enough credit is given.. but I am
not aware of examples where so much attention to contributors is given then
exactly in Wikipedia. Many people have
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Anthony wrote:
> Accepted by whom? Co-lo a box on the Internet, and ask the Foundation for
> permission to create the dump. A single thread downloading articles to a
> single server isn't going to impact the project. It probably wouldn't even
> be *noticed*.
It
Just got a copy, thanks :)
-Chad
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Brian wrote:
> Yep a typo, here is the right link:
>
> http://grey.colorado.edu/enwiki-20080103-pages-meta-history.xml.7z
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Chad wrote:
>
> > I can't even ping the host. Typo?
> > -Chad
> >
> >
The problem for those who want to be recognized personally, is that
the amount of detail is so excessive that it makes it very difficult
to ferret out significant contributions.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Due credit is given. It is given to the extend that t
2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> The language committee is empowered to decide on all new projects. It has
> been this way since its start. Nothing new here.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
How do we get rid of you?
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Hoi,
So you will shoot the messenger? Read back in this track and you will read
that when simple is proven to be actually useful.. I will actually consider
this, I will even promote the idea. Now, that takes convincing and there is
a need for good arguments. I am not the enemy, I am the one that a
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Aryeh Gregor <
simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Anthony wrote:
> > Accepted by whom? Co-lo a box on the Internet, and ask the Foundation
> for
> > permission to create the dump. A single thread downloading articles to a
2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> So you will shoot the messenger? Read back in this track and you will read
> that when simple is proven to be actually useful.. I will actually consider
> this, I will even promote the idea. Now, that takes convincing and there is
> a need for good arguments. I
Hoi,
with your attitude it is not strange why we do not have people who
are in a position of power frequenting the Foundation list sad.. it
kinda kills effective conversation
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/26 geni
> 2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> > Hoi,
> > So you will shoot the messenger? Read
i think there is a valid point here though. you are on a committee that has
a certain level of power. committees who make decisions on behalf of the
committee should surely be able to be held to account by the community. if
you look at this comment in this way then it can be interpreted as "when
Hoi,
Consider how committees operate. They are as a rule not elected. Also the
committees are as a rule bodies that function on behalf of the board, not so
much the community. The language committee has as its task to ensure that
viable new communities may start their new project. It has no involve
2009/2/25 Lars Aronsson :
> Work for easy-to-read Swedish was started in 1968, and since 1987
> operates as a government-sponsored foundation, described in this
> Swedish Wikipedia article,
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrum_f%C3%B6r_l%C3%A4ttl%C3%A4st
>
> On that Swedish foundation's website,
2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Consider how committees operate. They are as a rule not elected. Also the
> committees are as a rule bodies that function on behalf of the board, not so
> much the community. The language committee has as its task to ensure that
> viable new communities may star
Hoi,
When I am no longer a member of the language committee, I will still
be around or I am confined between six planks.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/26 geni
> 2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> > Hoi,
> > Consider how committees operate. They are as a rule not elected. Also the
> > committees are
Hello,
There have been a lot of points raised, so I'll answer a few
generally. (All messages from committee members, including this one,
are personal messages and don't represent the committee.)
New simple-language wikis will not be created under the current
policy, simply because the policy does
I second Geni's question... how do we get rid of you?
skype: node.ue
2009/2/26 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> with your attitude it is not strange why we do not have people who
> are in a position of power frequenting the Foundation list sad.. it
> kinda kills effective conversation
> Thanks,
>
Okay, that's enough everyone!
The question "How do we get rid of you?" is utterly rude and impolite.
If you want to ask "How can we get rid of the language committee?",
then formulate it in that way. (By the way: the answer is "By
persuading the board of trustees to dissolve the committee", so you
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Anthony wrote:
> What's your estimate of how long it's going to take to get the next full
> history English Wikipedia dump?
I would guess it gets fixed in less than a year, with new dumps every
few weeks after that. If it doesn't happen by then given the moderat
Brian wrote:
> Yep a typo, here is the right link:
>
> http://grey.colorado.edu/enwiki-20080103-pages-meta-history.xml.7z
People downloading it would like to verify they downloaded it correctly.
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