Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 David Gerard : > 2009/11/5 Andrew Gray : >> We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably, improbably well with >> Wikipedia. Failing to replicate that is to be expected; it's unlikely >> we could deliberately manage such a success without a shedload of good >> luck. "It's got a wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 Andrew Gray : > We did astonishingly, staggeringly, unbelievably, improbably well with > Wikipedia. Failing to replicate that is to be expected; it's unlikely > we could deliberately manage such a success without a shedload of good > luck. "It's got a wiki in it" isn't a magic spell, aft

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread William Pietri
Robert Rohde wrote: > What resources? With only ~1.5M hits per month, EN Wikinews' share of > the tech / internet services budget probably only comes to a couple > thousand dollars per year, in other words basically a rounding error > in the budget. I'd guess it's less than that. I just calculate

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/11/5 Peter Coombe : > Wikinews has it's problems, and is often overshadowed by it's bigger > brother Wikipedia. But it certainly hasn't failed. There's a > respectable amount of content being produced, including original > reporting that just would not fit on Wikipedia. Articles are picked up

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Jon Davis
According to the Wikinews stats page ( http://wmf4.me/3229 ), the English Wikinews received 7.9 million page views in October 2009. Compare that to 52 million page views for English Wiktionary ( http://wmf4.me/f8E57 ) or 12.8 million for English Wikisource ( http://wmf4.me/7a12c ) in the same time

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/5/2009 11:29:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, raro...@gmail.com writes: > In a $6 million budget, I'd honestly be disappointed if the Foundation > wasn't spending at least $100k on development projects that might some > day take off,>> But that's exactly my point. Wikinews ha

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/11/5 : > By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. >  When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main project > into its own space. In your opinion? i.e., not necessarily in anyone else's. > Better to re-focus attention on those projec

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:55 AM, wrote: > Better to re-focus attention on those projects which are successful, than > have ten non-successful projects dragging off any resources at all. What resources? With only ~1.5M hits per month, EN Wikinews' share of the tech / internet services budget p

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-05 Thread WJhonson
By failing I mean that it never achieved any sort of siginificant presence. When Wikinews was started it was, imho, to shunt news off the main project into its own space. News by it's nature is far more verbose then encyclopedic material. News inundates you constantly, while encyclopedic mat

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:02 PM, wrote: > >  How do you determine the number of views a particular Wikipedia page has > received? http://stats.grok.se/en/200910/Colorado%20Balloon%20Incident -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@li

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread wjhonson
How do you determine the number of views a particular Wikipedia page has received? -Original Message- From: Brian J Mingus To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2009 3:58 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Brian J Mingus
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Bod Notbod wrote: > Is it possible that sometimes Wikipedia steals Wikinews' thunder? > > You get something like that kid (not) in a balloon and it > struggles/fails to get on Wikipedia but I assume did OK on Wikinews. > > Sometimes a current event is big enough th

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
Is it possible that sometimes Wikipedia steals Wikinews' thunder? You get something like that kid (not) in a balloon and it struggles/fails to get on Wikipedia but I assume did OK on Wikinews. Sometimes a current event is big enough that Wikipedia can cover it without fear of deletion (I think of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikinews has not failed

2009-11-04 Thread Andrew Turvey
- wjhon...@aol.com wrote: > > ... Few to no Wikipedia articles > point at Wikinews even when there is a Wikinews article. How about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Treaty#Signing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C