Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Automated welcome message are tricky on the English Wikipedia, because it's a tricky place to figure out why someone is editing, and how to communicate with them. A large number of contributors with new accounts either do not have a native level of English, are editing just because they can, are e

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
I'm gonna hafta (sic) work on my handwriting. It's atrocious. ;) Have to good night! On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Michael Snow >wrote: > > > Wow, handwritten? I didn't know MediaWiki was going to skip straight past > > WYSIWYG to OCR.

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > Wow, handwritten? I didn't know MediaWiki was going to skip straight past > WYSIWYG to OCR. Is it time to start weeding out editors with bad penmanship? > Wikipedians: they cut you no slack whatsoever for imprecise adjectives, even if it's 9:

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Michael Snow
On 3/22/2012 9:00 PM, Steven Walling wrote: On Mar 22, 2012 8:46 PM, "Cynthia Ashley-Nelson" wrote: In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create a customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Steven Walling
On Mar 22, 2012 8:46 PM, "Cynthia Ashley-Nelson" wrote: > > In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create a > customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized > message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make changes to the existing > templates t

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
In Twinkle, we can add a custom Welcome message. Is it possible to create a customized Welcome template that allows the user to insert a personalized message to the Twinkle interface? Or even make changes to the existing templates that allows users to insert a personal message prior to placing on t

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Will Takatoshi
WereSpielChequers wrote: >... our steadily increasing proportion of spammers Where are you seeing that?  I've been monitoring COIBot report contribution numbers and it seems about constant over the years to me. > and the large increase in our proportion of vandals since 2005 The proportion

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Nathan
> Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: User talk templates (Ray Saintonge) > > 2. Re: User talk templates (Fae) > > 3. Re: User talk templates (Tim Starling) > > 4. Re: User talk templates (En Pine) > > 5. Re: User talk templates (David Gerard) > &g

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread WereSpielChequers
talk templates (David Gerard) > 6. Re: User talk templates (En Pine) > 7. Re: User talk templates (David Gerard) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:53:47 -0700 > From: Ray Saintonge > To

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:02, Fae wrote: > It's been discussed on-wiki before and firmly rejected (too lazy to > dig it out). In the spirit of co-operation, I shall dig for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Use_a_bot_to_welcome_new_users Bod

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Steven Walling
These are both great questions Pine. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:37 AM, En Pine wrote: > First, has anyone thought about automatically adding a welcome message to > the user’s talk page when they first register, not only for EN but also for > Commons, Simple, and other projects? Currently we requi

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
Very good ideas Nathan. FWIW, I've only been reading this list for about a year and a half or so. I present a lot of welcome messages, but always check the user's editing history first, to ascertain which one would be appropriate. Then, if they are continuing to edit a month later, I try to followu

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Nathan
Let's separate the two elements of a "welcome message" - one is an actual welcome, a personal exchange that should be provided by a human being. The other is the provision of useful information, links to policies and guidelines and the sort of "how-to" information that anyone should have easy acces

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Cynthia Ashley-Nelson
I've read the responses over the past 24 hours and have followed the suggestions made by Pine. I appreciate her proactive manner with addressing issues and lack that she sees. While some may not agree with the automatic welcome template idea, at least she's actively working toward and presenting so

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 March 2012 10:56, En Pine wrote: > Why would you not want to provide people guidance before they've made their > first edit, and why not provide them some encouragement to edit in a welcome > message? Because in practice, new editors don't read them - they think the messages are just bo

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread En Pine
>> On 03/22/12 1:37 AM, En Pine wrote: >> First, has anyone thought about automatically adding a welcome message to >> the user’s talk page when they first register, not only for EN but also for >> Commons, Simple, and other projects? Currently we require a human to do >> this, which means that

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 March 2012 10:47, En Pine wrote: > Your tone comes across as harsh. I believe this is actually an objection to the content of my post rather than its formatting. > Do you have any positive suggestions about how to improve editor retention? This is evidence you haven't been reading com

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread En Pine
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:41:18 + > From: David Gerard > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On 22 March 2012 08:37, En Pine w

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Tim Starling
On 22/03/12 19:37, En Pine wrote: > I have two suggestions about templates. I don’t know if Steven’s > the right person to ask about these particular ideas so I’m sending > this email to him and CCing it to Foundation-l. > > First, has anyone thought about automatically adding a welcome > message

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Fae
It's been discussed on-wiki before and firmly rejected (too lazy to dig it out). There's no way around needing a human pair of eyes to look at what a new user is up to and judge how best to welcome them to Wikipedia editing or advise them on problematic contributions. Twinkle has a well thought ou

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 03/22/12 1:37 AM, En Pine wrote: First, has anyone thought about automatically adding a welcome message to the user’s talk page when they first register, not only for EN but also for Commons, Simple, and other projects? Currently we require a human to do this, which means that lots of peopl

Re: [Foundation-l] User talk templates

2012-03-22 Thread David Gerard
On 22 March 2012 08:37, En Pine wrote: > First, has anyone thought about automatically adding a welcome message to the > user’s talk page when they first register, not only for EN but also for > Commons, Simple, and other projects? Is there any evidence anyone reads the template and doesn't j