Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-10 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:15 AM, Tisza Gergő wrote: > Which begs the question: why was the central notice taken down when > there is > still a day left? It went down earlier than we expected. It's back up, after a brief outage. Philippe ___ foun

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Tisza Gergő
phoebe ayers writes: > > ** Despite the election's importance, turnout is so far pretty > pathetic, esp. from smaller wikis. Which begs the question: why was the central notice taken down when there is still a day left? ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:15 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On a general note, I for one greatly appreciate the Election > Committee's efforts to get wide community participation in the Board > elections**, even if the mailing could have gone more smoothly. > > On an even more general note, the constructiv

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Marc Riddell
> Thomas, > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the >> board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send >> untargetted mass emails - they are spam. on 8/9/09 5:15 PM, phoebe ayers at phoebe.w...@g

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread phoebe ayers
Thomas, On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. You think nothing of routinely filling up all of the list

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/9 Ray Saintonge : > Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding >> me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people >> to the polls. >> >> >> >> > It didn't bother me either even though it came after I v

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding > me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people > to the polls. > > > > It didn't bother me either even though it came after I voted. As far as spam goes this

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Luna
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > OK, *ideally* an email wouldn't be sent to those who have already > voted. But it's really not as if Wikimedia is a persistent spammer. > I'd let it slide. Yeah, that's about where I sit on it. :) I wouldn't have said anything, if it weren't a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Luna wrote: > Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do any > complaining. It's one email, for Pete's sake. The irony is that those who dislike having received an email about the election have now received about 30 more due to reportin

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Luna
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > I already voted when I got my email, and I didn't think it was spam. I > smiled at the fact that Wikimedia is making sure everyone who can vote has > the opportunity. > Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted already). * One email to myself (mill...@gmail.com). I voted first

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm > sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted > already). * One email to myself (mill...@gmail.com). I voted first day and a couple

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Casey Brown wrote: Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are explicitly not allowed to vote. I think that it shouldn't be so complicated to do one "sort -u" over emails. As I said, some of my bots don't have bot fla

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are > explicitly not allowed to vote. I think that it shouldn't be so complicated to do one "sort -u" over emails. As I said, some of my bots don't have bot flags and because of th

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Casey Brown
Keep in mind that this election didn't go off as well as it could have, we all know that, the important thing was getting the e-mails out before the vote ended. It was already too late, so it's better to get more people notified than less. It wasn't perfect, last year was better because there was

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. Ah, I may imagine how your reaction would be in my case :) I have a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 Some names/nicks there appeared crossed (by horizontal line). Would somebody please explain what does it mean? Those that are grey out (or at least slightl

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Generally speaking, that means that the user appears to have voted more than once, or from more than one username on more than one project. The line denotes that vote has been struck. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: >> The list of users who have voted is available

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
> The list of users who have voted is available at > https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 Some names/nicks there appeared crossed (by horizontal line). Would somebody please explain what does it mean? 2009/8/8 Jon Harald Søby : > 2009/8/8 John Vandenberg > >> On S

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/8 Geoffrey Plourde : > Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding > me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people > to the polls. If it was difficult to avoid emailing people that have already voted, I wouldn't mind, but I do

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
:40 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails -

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/8 Casey Brown : > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the >> board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send >> untargetted mass emails - they are spam. > > "telling me I am eligible" and "unt

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Oh, I am not affronted. > > I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer > engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their > fine opinion to be counted twice. > > This motivates me to write more bots for

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Jon Harald Søby
2009/8/8 John Vandenberg > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musings > wrote: > > No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that > this > > could come across as grumpy at least) > > > > I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year > > befo

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Yes. And are doing so. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:42 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > > p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts > are not counted?? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscrib

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. Well, one good thing came out of it. I didn't receive such an ema

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Cormac Lawler wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, wrote: > >> I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you.  Trust me, we try to make >> sure no one is bothered by them.  Sometimes people fall through the cracks, >> and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Cormac Lawler wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, wrote: I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. I'm supposedly one w

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Huib!
Hello, As far as I know the email users function doesn't show the emailadres to people so you could email me with that function and you still doesn't have my emailadres :) Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Cormac Lawler
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, wrote: > I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make > sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, > and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. I'm supposedly one who fell through the

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Huib! wrote: Hello, Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I didn't give permission to use my private email. Can I just p

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Philippe Beaudette wrote: Yeah, that one's noted for the post-mortem. I'm going to add some notes for "future generation" that send this in 2 years time based on my experience sending this last year (and also thinking about it this year) before I forget. I'm sure this year's committee & Werdna

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
John Vandenberg wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musings wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same abou

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musings wrote: > No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this > could come across as grumpy at least) > > I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year > before, and feel the same about this as that -

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the next election. Huh? All eligible voters who

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread private musings
No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but ov

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Huib!
Hello, Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I didn't give permission to use my private email. Its kind of stupid that this

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. > > Is that a joke? My bot, which has a bot flag on two projects, was sent an email asking it to vote. Is that a joke? -- John Vande

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Robert Rohde
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. Is that a joke? -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/l

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Meno 25 wrote: > and also please don't send e-mails to bot accounts. I found that email quite helpful. I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lis

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Yeah, that one's noted for the post-mortem. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 12:47 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all >> projects >> were targeted for this type of mail. As

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects > were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the > system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the > next e

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the next election. Iit is a huge improvement to have an e-mail by the orga

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Steven Walling
I already voted when I got my email, and I didn't think it was spam. I smiled at the fact that Wikimedia is making sure everyone who can vote has the opportunity. Steven On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:05 PM, wrote: > Thomas, > > I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread pbeaudette
Thomas, I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. We try - hard - to make sure that everyone who is entitled to vote knows it.

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Casey Brown
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. "telling me I am eligible" and "untargetted mass e-mails" don't re

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-07 Thread Meno 25
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. > > ___ > foundation-l