Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ray Saintonge
Marco Chiesa wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Ting Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Heilmann complained through his lawyer at first by WikiMedia >> Deutschland. The chapter answered him that it is not responsible for the >> content on Wikipedia and they would do nothing. I agree wit

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ray Saintonge
Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > The Zimbabwean dollar has $ as its symbol. The text in the fund raising > banner talks about a $6 million goal. Somehow I doubt that Paypal accepts > Zimbabwean $$. That is a good thing :) > ZWD6,000,000.00 = USD193.82, and probably less tomorrow. :-) Ec _

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Nathan
Right, I wasn't clear. I was thinking it would be strange if the chapter members took no action, as members (even forwarding a complaint to OTRS), and the only explanation I had for that was the legal danger in appearing to take responsibility on behalf of the chapter. As long as they forward the c

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
David Gerard wrote: > 2008/11/19 Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> The chapter refused to look at the complaint or take any action at all? >> Unless there is some legal reason why they can't take responsibility (even >> as individuals responding to an e-mail complaint), I find that difficult to

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
Marco Chiesa wrote: > The point is that the chapter is NOT responsible for the content of > Wikipedia. If as a chapter we receive a suggestion/complain about something > in Wikipedia, we forward the email to OTRS, because that's the address > that's dedicated to these things. If there is a lawsuit,

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/19 Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The chapter refused to look at the complaint or take any action at all? > Unless there is some legal reason why they can't take responsibility (even > as individuals responding to an e-mail complaint), I find that difficult to > believe. There must be more

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Ting Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Heilmann complained through his lawyer at first by WikiMedia > Deutschland. The chapter answered him that it is not responsible for the > content on Wikipedia and they would do nothing. I agree with the first > part of the

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
Nathan wrote: > The chapter refused to look at the complaint or take any action at all? > Unless there is some legal reason why they can't take responsibility (even > as individuals responding to an e-mail complaint), I find that difficult to > believe. There must be more to the story, no? > > Nath

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Nathan
The chapter refused to look at the complaint or take any action at all? Unless there is some legal reason why they can't take responsibility (even as individuals responding to an e-mail complaint), I find that difficult to believe. There must be more to the story, no? Nathan __

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
Yes, I totally agree with Ziko. The article about Heilmann do had contents that are very questionable. There were content that are not proved and that are now removed, that must be removed according to our rule of living people biographies. Heilmann complained through his lawyer at first by Wik

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
In order not to let a wrong impression slip into the collective long-term memory: Heilmann complained about several points in "his" article, some more, some less worth considerable. It was also about his private life. So, reducing it to his Stasi past or saying that he is using "Stasi methods" - a

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Maybe we need a Wikimedia Zimbabwe in exile, or a Wikimedia China in Exile From: Ray Saintonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:49:59 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shu

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The Zimbabwean dollar has $ as its symbol. The text in the fund raising banner talks about a $6 million goal. Somehow I doubt that Paypal accepts Zimbabwean $$. That is a good thing :) Thanks, GerardM On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Ray Saintonge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > George He

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ray Saintonge
George Herbert wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Who wants to go poke Mugabe, maybe we will get even more money? >> > I appreciate the motivation, but please let's not go there. > > The possible issues have some rather serious downsi

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-17 Thread geni
2008/11/17 George Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > to "playing geopolitics for keeps is dangerous". At little late there. At least if the McCain speechwriter plagiarism accusations have any truth in them. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundati

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
> So we should send the guy flowers and thank him publicly with a banner > for suing us! O:-) > Or is that to humiliating for him :) I think publicly thanking the donors for supporting us against him would be sufficiently humiliating without being petty. __

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-17 Thread Waerth
>>> /09/1323220.shtml >>> >> Donations to WMDE are apparently coming in very fast because of this: >> http://wiwowo.blogspot.com/2008/11/internet-cannot-be-censured.html >> >> I'm reluctant to advocate upset politicians as a fundraising tool, but ... >> > > In addition to the very larg

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread George Herbert
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Geoffrey Plourde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who wants to go poke Mugabe, maybe we will get even more money? I appreciate the motivation, but please let's not go there. The possible issues have some rather serious downsides, ranging from "WMF not being seen as

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Who wants to go poke Mugabe, maybe we will get even more money? From: Robert Rohde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:22:21 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down On Sun, Nov 16, 2

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Robert Rohde
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:02 AM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/16 Ian A. Holton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> This isn't the first time the German chapter has had an interim injunction >> issued against them[2], but everytime the matter has been resolved in a >> professional manner

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Ian A. Holton
BTW, reading the comments on the donations shows nicely the main motivation for donating suddenly: * Against censorship * Against the former Stasi * To benefit the growth of free knowledge Ian On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:31 AM, Ian A. Holton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't have any statistic

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Ian A. Holton
I don't have any statistics, but I would say the http://www.wikipedia.de is the most common way of accessing Wikipedia in Germany. Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > 26 thousand Euro in the last 40 hours. Normal figures appear to be >

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
> 26 thousand Euro in the last 40 hours. Normal figures appear to be > 3000 EUR per day. That's quite impressive. I wonder whether there is > an actual net gain. Do we have statistics on how many people actually access the German Wikipedia via the wikipedia.de domain? If it's not many, then there'

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:04 PM, David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/16 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Donations to WMDE are apparently coming in very fast because of this: >> http://wiwowo.blogspot.com/2008/11/internet-cannot-be-censured.html >> I'm reluctant to advocate upse

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/16 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Donations to WMDE are apparently coming in very fast because of this: > http://wiwowo.blogspot.com/2008/11/internet-cannot-be-censured.html > I'm reluctant to advocate upset politicians as a fundraising tool, but ... Here's the list. Dig the comment

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/16 Ian A. Holton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This isn't the first time the German chapter has had an interim injunction > issued against them[2], but everytime the matter has been resolved in a > professional manner and the media have been very pro-Wiki.[3][4] > [2] http://www.toytowngermany.co

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Ian A. Holton
The controversy was about mentioning his past in the former East German Stasi - something he had not told the truth about to the general public during the election (according to the Wikipedia article and the sources named, which amongst others is Der Spiegel). The information, and sources, seem all

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread effe iets anders
for the interested: *Keine weiteren juristischen Schritte gegen Wikipedia* : http://www.lutz-heilmann.info/ 2008/11/16 Magnus Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Bryan Tong Minh > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Apparently the German portal on wikipedia.de has been shut d

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Bryan Tong Minh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Apparently the German portal on wikipedia.de has been shut down after > a legal case. Is there any more information on this? > http://www.wikipedia.de/ Apparently, some German communist politician was angry about somethi

[Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
Apparently the German portal on wikipedia.de has been shut down after a legal case. Is there any more information on this? http://www.wikipedia.de/ Bryan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedi