Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-27 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:41 AM, wrote: > But George you miss part of my point. > IF editors know their way around somewhat, they *could* fight an undeserved > block or reprimand or whatever. > > But what you're saying here is exactly what I'm pointing out that we do not > want. > Encyclopedist

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-27 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/26/2009 11:37:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, george.herb...@gmail.com writes: We have the Mediators, arbcom, and experienced non-admin editors around too. Anyone who thinks admins can run roughshod over users should watch ANI for a while. We aren't great about self-pol

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-26 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:54 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 11/26/2009 3:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, > valde...@gmail.com writes: > > >> The final solution is that only people who are already expert in the >> processes can impose their point of view and in fact en.wikipedia >> don't assure

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted...

2009-11-26 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/26/2009 3:39:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, valde...@gmail.com writes: > The final solution is that only people who are already expert in the > processes can impose their point of view and in fact en.wikipedia > don't assure a neutral point of view but the point of view of ex

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Felipe Ortega
--- El vie, 27/11/09, Bod Notbod escribió: > De: Bod Notbod > Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and > deleted article > Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Fecha: viernes, 27 de noviembre, 2009 00:58 > On Thu, Nov 26

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Felipe Ortega wrote: > This is Andrew Dalby's quote, not mine. > >> I would like to hear from Felipe clarification of the claim >> that 49,000 contributors left Wikipedia. If it is so, then en.wp >> has around ten times more fluctuation of contributors. (Accordin

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Felipe Ortega
--- El jue, 26/11/09, Milos Rancic escribió: > De: Milos Rancic > Asunto: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and > deleted article > Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Fecha: jueves, 26 de noviembre, 2009 11:36 > Read > ht

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please assume good faith.. I am truly interested in good ideas.. It is exactly because I value your opinions that I asked. The fact that there is moderation is intended to prevent unproductive discussions. My intention is to be to the point, clear in my statements and questions and publish as

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Bod Notbod
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Your question is not constructive because new rules of the list > include the rule that 30 messages per month per person should be a > limit. http://strategy.wikimedia.org No posting limit. Little bureaucracy. Ideas welcomed with open arms.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > So you have an idea ... please share it and explain why you think it will > make a difference. It does not really help to leave with a cliff hanger ... > > 2009/11/26 Milos Rancic > >> (Actually, I have a couple of >> possible changes in m

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, So you have an idea ... please share it and explain why you think it will make a difference. It does not really help to leave with a cliff hanger ... Thanks, GerardM 2009/11/26 Milos Rancic > Read > http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/160236/Contributors-Leaving-Wikipedia-In-Record

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Read > http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/160236/Contributors-Leaving-Wikipedia-In-Record-Numbers > > Article is based on Felipe Ortega's research. There are two claims > from this article: > > 1. English-language version of Wikipedia s

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not bureaucracy, said bureaucrat and deleted article

2009-11-26 Thread Milos Rancic
Read http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/160236/Contributors-Leaving-Wikipedia-In-Record-Numbers Article is based on Felipe Ortega's research. There are two claims from this article: 1. English-language version of Wikipedia suffered a net loss of 49,000 contributors, compared with a loss of