Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Hay (Husky)
Thanks Erik, and to those who posted links. I'm very glad that Commons is also taken into account with the usability enhancements. -- Hay On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2009/3/25 Casey Brown : >> However, I do recall Erik saying something about a grant that is being >> wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/25 Casey Brown : > However, I do recall Erik saying something about a grant that is being > worked on for Commons, see > Yep, that's correct. We've submitted a grant proposal specifically with regard to uploading usability (which

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread John at Darkstar
I've seen some of the results from "agile testing", it seems like they have a tendency to lock in on specific suboptimal solution. What is an acceptable solution on a given limited state. John Erik Moeller skrev: > 2009/3/25 John at Darkstar : >> Wikipedians should not be used to asses usabillity

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread John at Darkstar
There are about 100 times more page views than edits, sometimes even more. John Gerard Meijssen skrev: > Hoi, > A newspaper wants people to read. We want very much that readers consider > the option to edit. The approach is therefore different. When I goto > Wikipedia as a reader, I might be enabl

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > > As far as I know, *this* grant has to do with the English Wikipedia as > its focus (that doesn't mean what they find can't be applied to other > projects -- quite the opposite). > > However, I do recall Erik saying something about a gran

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Hay (Husky) wrote: > On a different note: i'm not sure if this has been discussed before > but will the usability study also take uploading media on Commons in > account? Editing text is one thing, but adding media (and hence, using > Commons) is almost as common a

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/3/25 John at Darkstar : > Wikipedians should not be used to asses usabillity problems with > Wikipedia, this is rule number one if you want to get information about > why a newbie has problems with a system. I'm not sure about your definition of "Wikipedians" above, but the recruiting procedu

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Mark (Markie)
according to the Usability home page "initial focus on English Wikipedia, eventually this research and development will be implemented across all languages and possibly to other WikiMedia projects" so i would guess initially not.

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, A newspaper wants people to read. We want very much that readers consider the option to edit. The approach is therefore different. When I goto Wikipedia as a reader, I might be enabled to change my role and consequently get a different layout. Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/25 John at Darkstar

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread John at Darkstar
One additional note, in Norway a lot of the newspapers used a layout like Monobook (sort of) but has lately dismissed the solution in favor of radically much simpler designs. Especially the list of links in a left bar has been abandoned in favor of more directed approaches with horizontal menus in

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread Hay (Husky)
Ten is a low number indeed, however, if those people are indeed 'typical users' instead of Wikipedians and you given them a few specific tasks (say, searching for an article on a topic they are interested in and editing it to add some information) you will probably encounter lots of problems soon e

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-25 Thread John at Darkstar
Wikipedians should not be used to asses usabillity problems with Wikipedia, this is rule number one if you want to get information about why a newbie has problems with a system. A typical wikipedian is simply not a valid newbie. Ten participants are not nearly enough, they can only give you some cl

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
t; Good luck and success for the effort. > > -- > Ivan Lanin | Wikimedia Indonesia | http://wikimedia.or.id > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Naoko Komura > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:28:45 > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; < > wikie...

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-24 Thread Ivan Lanin
think that way ;) Good luck and success for the effort. -- Ivan Lanin | Wikimedia Indonesia | http://wikimedia.or.id Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Naoko Komura Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:28:45 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List; Subject: [Foundation-l] Usability st

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-24 Thread George Herbert
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Naoko Komura > wrote: > > > The remote usability study on > > Thursday (March 26 PDT) will be done remotely, which means we recruit > > participants from Wikipedia through the site notice, and connect with > > them

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-24 Thread Brian
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Naoko Komura wrote: > The remote usability study on > Thursday (March 26 PDT) will be done remotely, which means we recruit > participants from Wikipedia through the site notice, and connect with > them through web conferencing. This is brilliant - you could a

[Foundation-l] Usability study in progress

2009-03-24 Thread Naoko Komura
Howdy. (adding wikien-l folks to this thread. my apology for not including wikien-l with my initial email.) The usability study has started today as scheduled. The usability team is monitoring the interviews and how ten test participants interact with Wikipedia when they are asked to edit an