Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2011-01-01 Thread Fred Bauder
> One fix that developers could do, and which would address 93.6% of the > problem is to move the template editing out-of-normal-editing-space. > > Disentangle the template code, from the editable text. > > W There is a small army of editors constantly working on and, hopefully, improving template

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2011-01-01 Thread WJhonson
One fix that developers could do, and which would address 93.6% of the problem is to move the template editing out-of-normal-editing-space. Disentangle the template code, from the editable text. W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2011-01-01 Thread geni
On 30 December 2010 08:55, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > Any solution that calls for endless templates is a bad one socially as > well as technically, and at the point where you even consider > something on that scale you should probably be consulting developers > for a better way, like a way to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Birgitte SB
- Original Message > From: Stephanie Daugherty > To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 2:55:28 AM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill > > Where there exists a clean elegent technical solution

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread David Gerard
On 30 December 2010 08:55, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: > Any solution that calls for endless templates is a bad one socially as > well as technically, and at the point where you even consider > something on that scale you should probably be consulting developers > for a better way > This goes for

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Birgitte SB
- Original Message > From: Fred Bauder > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 2:16:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill > > > What  project are you speaking of?  At en.WS the entire navigation > > structure

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Where there exists a clean elegent technical solution to a social problem then it wasnt really a social problem to begin with. Where it comes to something like ws maybe a tool to do an outline grouping a large multiarticle document into a single coherent one is whats really needed. Any solution t

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Fred Bauder
> What  project are you speaking of?  At en.WS the entire navigation > structure of > how to move between Chapters within a book is encoded in templates.  I > can't > imagine how they could be scapped. > > Birgitte SB > [[Moby Dick, chapter 2]] might work. Fred Bauder __

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
While i generally agree that its too much templates do have their place. The interface for using a template needs to be easier (see all the recent wysiwy* traffic), but used right they can even make the text easier to edit. The problem therefore is to make sure they are used right, and that proble

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-30 Thread Fred Bauder
> Most of the templates in our project, imho are just more clutter. > > The number of people who know how to use any particular template, can > probably be counted with a box of marbles. However when others see the > templates, they just shy away, they don't bother to try to learn them. > > If we

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
; how to move between Chapters within a book is encoded in templates. I > > can't > > imagine how they could be scapped. > > > > Birgitte SB > > > > > > - Original Message > > > From: "wjhon...@aol.com" > > > To: fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread teun spaans
ia.org > > Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 9:46:56 PM > > Subject: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill > > > > Most of the templates in our project, imho are just more clutter. > > > > The number of people who know how to use any particular template, can > > probably be c

Re: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread Birgitte SB
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 9:46:56 PM > Subject: [Foundation-l] Template Overkill > > Most of the templates in our project, imho are just more clutter. > > The number of people who know how to use any particular template, can > probably be co

[Foundation-l] Template Overkill

2010-12-29 Thread WJhonson
Most of the templates in our project, imho are just more clutter. The number of people who know how to use any particular template, can probably be counted with a box of marbles. However when others see the templates, they just shy away, they don't bother to try to learn them. If we want to ma