Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 1 September 2010 00:27, John Vandenberg wrote: > You, and the RW article about WP, start from the assertion that > Wikipedia is successful.  Successful at what?  Success at Google > rankings/pageviews/popular culture?  Is that the only appropriate > measure of an encyclopedia; an encyclopedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:55 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 August 2010 00:21, John Vandenberg wrote: >>.. >> Pseudo-science, pseudo-humanities, etc are no stranger to Wikipedia, >> and our processes have not always been victorious over it.  Simply >> put, the rubbish on Wikipedia outweights the

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 31 August 2010 00:55, David Gerard wrote: > On 31 August 2010 00:21, John Vandenberg wrote: >> Irony.  David Gerard disparaging CZ using a rationalwiki page as evidence. > The links are there if you want to read them. Or, if you prefer: of course the wiki is fluff and amusement with a huge

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 31 August 2010 00:21, John Vandenberg wrote: > Irony.  David Gerard disparaging CZ using a rationalwiki page as evidence. The links are there if you want to read them. > Pseudo-science, pseudo-humanities, etc are no stranger to Wikipedia, > and our processes have not always been victorious

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:35 AM, David Gerard wrote: > ...This, btw, is how Citizendium > became a pseudoscience haven: > > http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Citizendium#The_concept_of_expertise_on_Citizendium On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:57 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 August 2010 17:52, David Moran

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pro_hominem&oldid=369721624 - Original Message - From: "Fred Bauder" > It's a simple error that most proof-readers would find. Well only if they can read Latin, which is not that usual these days. >>It looks right at first glance but is not. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

> From: "Fred Bauder" > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with > content issues. > > >> We need to set up a regular mechanism whi

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

From: "Fred Bauder" To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues. > We need to set up a regular mechanism which analyzes and searches for >

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

We need to set up a regular mechanism which analyzes and searches for errors. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Error_management We need to make a science of it, Wikipedia:Error_management Fred > Gerard writes: >>The trouble is that attempts to make something that >

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29 August 2010 18:16, wrote: > Now whether they would have had to or not isn't the point. The point was > that all had experience onwiki aguements, and all had independently > decided that they're time was better spent in ways other than agueing > with a wikieditor. Yes: the problem with ke

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29/08/2010 16:46, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 August 2010 15:38, Peter Damian wrote: > >> The problem is that until someone sits up and notices the serious errors that >> are propagated through Wikipedia (and which are now becoming part of the >> folk wisdom of the internet), no one will be bot

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29 August 2010 17:52, David Moran wrote: > Well, right.  That's kind of what I mean.  These things happened to > Citizendium because credentialism is the natural outcome of trying to create > a system of valuing a certain class of contributors more than others. I was amazed just how actively

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

Well, right. That's kind of what I mean. These things happened to Citizendium because credentialism is the natural outcome of trying to create a system of valuing a certain class of contributors more than others. DM On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 August 2010 17

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29 August 2010 17:19, David Moran wrote: > I think my problem with suggestions like this is that the assumption at the > heart of all of them--that "experts" with degrees are preferable as > information authorities to nonexperts without--is deeply problematic, and > I'm not convinced it won't

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

*The problem is that until someone sits up and notices the serious errors that are propagated through Wikipedia (and which are now becoming part of the folk wisdom of the internet), no one will be bothered. * I think my problem with suggestions like this is that the assumption at the heart of all o

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29 August 2010 16:45, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > These issues have been discussed at length at the Strategy wiki and made > to the five-how year strategic plan. The question is how they would be > implemented now. But it is not really correct that nobody bothers. Awareness of our systemic

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 29 August 2010 15:38, Peter Damian wrote: > The problem is that until someone sits up and notices the serious errors that > are propagated through Wikipedia (and which are now becoming part of the > folk wisdom of the internet), no one will be bothered. The problem is that no > one > *knows*

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:38:34 +0100, "Peter Damian" wrote: > The problem is that until someone sits up and notices the serious errors > that > are propagated through Wikipedia (and which are now becoming part of the > folk wisdom of the internet), no one will be bothered. The problem is that > n

[Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

Gerard writes: >>The trouble is that attempts to make something that lures experts but keeps idiots out of their faces have so far failed and/or attracted no attention, even from the experts (Citizendium, Scholarpedia). That is, they sound like a good idea; but in practice, Wikipedia has so far be

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, James Heilman wrote: > Currently I am involved in a dispute regarding the interpretation of > the literature regarding Transcendental Meditation (TM) which has been going > on for years.  There are about 5 editors who admit to being practitioner of > TM and only or

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On 9 August 2010 20:45, James Heilman wrote: > To address the comments made.  The mediation committee does not have formal > means of enforcement.  This is something maybe we should look at creating. > What is needed is a group of people who actively research the topic and come > to a tentative a

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

To address the comments made. The mediation committee does not have formal means of enforcement. This is something maybe we should look at creating. What is needed is a group of people who actively research the topic and come to a tentative and enforceable conclusion. The mediation committee is

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

--- On Mon, 9/8/10, Oliver Keyes wrote: > > Let's linky here, Oliver: > -- > > ~Keegan > > > > My bad. Anyway, to quote "The role of the Mediation > Committee is explicitly > to try to resolve disputes, especially those *involving > content*" (itali

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

>> Well, you're probably looking at it the wrong way; if something mediation > committee-like is being talked about, telling X or Z what to do is not the > purpose. Instead it's to get X and Z to (grudgingly) meet at Y. I agree > that > the general scope of this needs to be clarified, however. If

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:30:38 -0600, James Heilman wrote: > > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > >. > For instance, would such committee (if ever created) tell Arabic Wikipedia > what > has to be written in the article Al-Quds/J

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Sun, 8 Aug 2010 22:30:38 -0600, James Heilman wrote: > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > Is this intended to be a WMF- (cross-project-) issue, or English Wikipedia issue? If the latter is the case, then it should be sent to a different post. If the former is the case, the scope has t

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote > > > Let's linky here, Oliver: > -- > ~Keegan > > My bad. Anyway, to quote "The role of the Mediation Committee is explicitly to try to resolve disputes, especially those *involving content*" (i

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, James Heilman wrote: > > > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > > > > Wikipedia does not seem to have any formal arbitration committee that > deals > > with content. > > > The Mediation Committee? > __

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:30 AM, James Heilman wrote: > A Committee to Deal with Content Issues > > Wikipedia does not seem to have any formal arbitration committee that deals > with content. > The Mediation Committee? ___ foundation-l mailing list found

[Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals with content issues.

A Committee to Deal with Content Issues Wikipedia does not seem to have any formal arbitration committee that deals with content. I have been involved in a number of cases in which such a committee would be exceedingly useful ( ADHD, Rorschach test, abortion, etc.). Currently I am involved in a